Discussion:
Those Damned (Socialist) Atheists Sue Over Ground Zero Cross
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Toni Wu
2011-07-28 10:55:42 UTC
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An atheist group sued today over the inclusion of cross-shaped
steel beams, dubbed the "World Trade Center Cross," at the
National September 11th Memorial and Museum.

Last weekend the The 2-ton, 20-foot-high, steel T-joint cross
was given a "ceremonial blessing" by the Rev. Brian Jordan,
removed from it's place at St. Peter's Catholic Church and
lowered 70 feet into the national memorial museum.

But a group identified as American Atheists filed a lawsuit
today claiming a display of the cross-shaped steel beams
promotes Christianity over other religions on public property
and diminishes the civil rights of non-Christians.

"The Christian community found a piece of rubble that looked
like an icon and they deified it. But really 9/11 had nothing to
do with Christianity," said American Atheist president Dave
Silverman.

"It just so happens that the WTC was made out of T-joints, and
they found a T-joint " Silverman noted. "They put it in the
church, kept in the church for years, prayed over it, [and]
blessed it."

The memorial foundation says their T-joint cross is a "symbol of
spiritual comfort for the thousands of recovery workers who
toiled at ground zero," as well as an "authentic physical
reminder" that "tell[s] the story of 9/11 in a way nothing else
can."

The atheist group has requested to display their own memorial
next to the steel cross, possibly in the form of an atom or an
American flag, to represent the "500 non-religious Americans"
who were "among the victims of the 9/11 attack."

A Star of David cut from WTC steel and a Bible fused to a piece
of steel may also be on display with the giant T-joint cross.

But what about the group of 28 responders and workers who died
in the Twin Towers attack who were American Muslims? Can we
expect a 20-foot tall, two ton, star and crescent standing on
display next to the welded Bible and holy T-joint? Not very
likely.

Which raises the question of why bother to make the 9-11 attack
into a contentious religious statement in the first place? Is
that any way to honor our secular national heritage?
MarkA
2011-07-28 12:30:13 UTC
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Post by Toni Wu
http://my.auburnjournal.com/detail/184235.html
An atheist group sued today over the inclusion of cross-shaped steel
beams, dubbed the "World Trade Center Cross," at the National September
11th Memorial and Museum.
Last weekend the The 2-ton, 20-foot-high, steel T-joint cross was given a
"ceremonial blessing" by the Rev. Brian Jordan, removed from it's place at
St. Peter's Catholic Church and lowered 70 feet into the national memorial
museum.
But a group identified as American Atheists filed a lawsuit today claiming
a display of the cross-shaped steel beams promotes Christianity over other
religions on public property and diminishes the civil rights of
non-Christians.
"The Christian community found a piece of rubble that looked like an icon
and they deified it. But really 9/11 had nothing to do with Christianity,"
said American Atheist president Dave Silverman.
"It just so happens that the WTC was made out of T-joints, and they found
a T-joint " Silverman noted. "They put it in the church, kept in the
church for years, prayed over it, [and] blessed it."
The memorial foundation says their T-joint cross is a "symbol of spiritual
comfort for the thousands of recovery workers who toiled at ground zero,"
as well as an "authentic physical reminder" that "tell[s] the story of
9/11 in a way nothing else can."
The atheist group has requested to display their own memorial next to the
steel cross, possibly in the form of an atom or an American flag, to
represent the "500 non-religious Americans" who were "among the victims of
the 9/11 attack."
A Star of David cut from WTC steel and a Bible fused to a piece of steel
may also be on display with the giant T-joint cross.
But what about the group of 28 responders and workers who died in the Twin
Towers attack who were American Muslims? Can we expect a 20-foot tall, two
ton, star and crescent standing on display next to the welded Bible and
holy T-joint? Not very likely.
Which raises the question of why bother to make the 9-11 attack into a
contentious religious statement in the first place? Is that any way to
honor our secular national heritage?
The Muslims really need a simpler symbol, preferably one that might be
found in the rubble of a destroyed skyscraper. The Muslims need lots of
other things, too, but that is the one relevant to this thread.
--
MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock
Dakota
2011-07-28 16:35:32 UTC
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Post by MarkA
Post by Toni Wu
http://my.auburnjournal.com/detail/184235.html
An atheist group sued today over the inclusion of cross-shaped steel
beams, dubbed the "World Trade Center Cross," at the National September
11th Memorial and Museum.
Last weekend the The 2-ton, 20-foot-high, steel T-joint cross was given a
"ceremonial blessing" by the Rev. Brian Jordan, removed from it's place at
St. Peter's Catholic Church and lowered 70 feet into the national memorial
museum.
But a group identified as American Atheists filed a lawsuit today claiming
a display of the cross-shaped steel beams promotes Christianity over other
religions on public property and diminishes the civil rights of
non-Christians.
"The Christian community found a piece of rubble that looked like an icon
and they deified it. But really 9/11 had nothing to do with Christianity,"
said American Atheist president Dave Silverman.
"It just so happens that the WTC was made out of T-joints, and they found
a T-joint " Silverman noted. "They put it in the church, kept in the
church for years, prayed over it, [and] blessed it."
The memorial foundation says their T-joint cross is a "symbol of spiritual
comfort for the thousands of recovery workers who toiled at ground zero,"
as well as an "authentic physical reminder" that "tell[s] the story of
9/11 in a way nothing else can."
The atheist group has requested to display their own memorial next to the
steel cross, possibly in the form of an atom or an American flag, to
represent the "500 non-religious Americans" who were "among the victims of
the 9/11 attack."
A Star of David cut from WTC steel and a Bible fused to a piece of steel
may also be on display with the giant T-joint cross.
But what about the group of 28 responders and workers who died in the Twin
Towers attack who were American Muslims? Can we expect a 20-foot tall, two
ton, star and crescent standing on display next to the welded Bible and
holy T-joint? Not very likely.
Which raises the question of why bother to make the 9-11 attack into a
contentious religious statement in the first place? Is that any way to
honor our secular national heritage?
The Muslims really need a simpler symbol, preferably one that might be
found in the rubble of a destroyed skyscraper. The Muslims need lots of
other things, too, but that is the one relevant to this thread.
Muslims have to change their symbol because it doesn't look like rubble?
Are you serious?
MarkA
2011-07-29 12:07:51 UTC
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Post by Dakota
Post by MarkA
Post by Toni Wu
http://my.auburnjournal.com/detail/184235.html
An atheist group sued today over the inclusion of cross-shaped steel
beams, dubbed the "World Trade Center Cross," at the National September
11th Memorial and Museum.
Last weekend the The 2-ton, 20-foot-high, steel T-joint cross was given
a "ceremonial blessing" by the Rev. Brian Jordan, removed from it's
place at St. Peter's Catholic Church and lowered 70 feet into the
national memorial museum.
But a group identified as American Atheists filed a lawsuit today
claiming a display of the cross-shaped steel beams promotes
Christianity over other religions on public property and diminishes the
civil rights of non-Christians.
"The Christian community found a piece of rubble that looked like an
icon and they deified it. But really 9/11 had nothing to do with
Christianity," said American Atheist president Dave Silverman.
"It just so happens that the WTC was made out of T-joints, and they
found a T-joint " Silverman noted. "They put it in the church, kept in
the church for years, prayed over it, [and] blessed it."
The memorial foundation says their T-joint cross is a "symbol of
spiritual comfort for the thousands of recovery workers who toiled at
ground zero," as well as an "authentic physical reminder" that "tell[s]
the story of 9/11 in a way nothing else can."
The atheist group has requested to display their own memorial next to
the steel cross, possibly in the form of an atom or an American flag,
to represent the "500 non-religious Americans" who were "among the
victims of the 9/11 attack."
A Star of David cut from WTC steel and a Bible fused to a piece of
steel may also be on display with the giant T-joint cross.
But what about the group of 28 responders and workers who died in the
Twin Towers attack who were American Muslims? Can we expect a 20-foot
tall, two ton, star and crescent standing on display next to the welded
Bible and holy T-joint? Not very likely.
Which raises the question of why bother to make the 9-11 attack into a
contentious religious statement in the first place? Is that any way to
honor our secular national heritage?
The Muslims really need a simpler symbol, preferably one that might be
found in the rubble of a destroyed skyscraper. The Muslims need lots of
other things, too, but that is the one relevant to this thread.
Muslims have to change their symbol because it doesn't look like rubble?
Are you serious?
Hey, it worked for the Xtians, didn't it? Look at all the press they're
getting from two pieces of metal welded at a 90 degree angle!
--
MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock
Obwon
2011-07-28 13:27:53 UTC
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On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 12:55:42 +0200, "Toni Wu"
Post by Toni Wu
http://my.auburnjournal.com/detail/184235.html
An atheist group sued today over the inclusion of cross-shaped
steel beams, dubbed the "World Trade Center Cross," at the
National September 11th Memorial and Museum.
Last weekend the The 2-ton, 20-foot-high, steel T-joint cross
was given a "ceremonial blessing" by the Rev. Brian Jordan,
removed from it's place at St. Peter's Catholic Church and
lowered 70 feet into the national memorial museum.
But a group identified as American Atheists filed a lawsuit
today claiming a display of the cross-shaped steel beams
promotes Christianity over other religions on public property
and diminishes the civil rights of non-Christians.
"The Christian community found a piece of rubble that looked
like an icon and they deified it. But really 9/11 had nothing to
do with Christianity," said American Atheist president Dave
Silverman.
"It just so happens that the WTC was made out of T-joints, and
they found a T-joint " Silverman noted. "They put it in the
church, kept in the church for years, prayed over it, [and]
blessed it."
The memorial foundation says their T-joint cross is a "symbol of
spiritual comfort for the thousands of recovery workers who
toiled at ground zero," as well as an "authentic physical
reminder" that "tell[s] the story of 9/11 in a way nothing else
can."
The atheist group has requested to display their own memorial
next to the steel cross, possibly in the form of an atom or an
American flag, to represent the "500 non-religious Americans"
who were "among the victims of the 9/11 attack."
A Star of David cut from WTC steel and a Bible fused to a piece
of steel may also be on display with the giant T-joint cross.
But what about the group of 28 responders and workers who died
in the Twin Towers attack who were American Muslims? Can we
expect a 20-foot tall, two ton, star and crescent standing on
display next to the welded Bible and holy T-joint? Not very
likely.
Which raises the question of why bother to make the 9-11 attack
into a contentious religious statement in the first place? Is
that any way to honor our secular national heritage?
No it's not. Display of religious fare would tend to give
the impression that the matter was a war between religious
groups rather than against theocracy.
Freedom Man
2011-07-28 18:11:20 UTC
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See what RELIGION does to peoples' minds?

Adults no longer believe in the Tooth Fairy - but they still torture and
kill each other over ancient myths and superstitions.

"We all remember how many religious wars were fought for a religion of love
and gentleness; how many bodies were burned alive with the genuinely kind
intention of saving souls from the eternal fire of hell." --- Karl Popper

"When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many
people suffer from a delusion, it is called Religion."
--- Robert M. Pirsig

Either God wants to abolish evil and cannot, or he can but does not want to.
If he wants to but cannot he is impotent. If he can but does not want to, he
is wicked. If he neither can nor wants to, then he is both powerless and
wicked.
--- Epicurus, Greek philosopher, circa 300 B.C.

"Act of God" disasters like the Japanese earthquake expose the myth. Either
God can do nothing to stop catastrophes like this, or he doesn't care to, or
he doesn't exist. He is thus either impotent, evil, or imaginary.
--- CNN Belief Blog, 3-20-11

"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and
evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that
takes religion."
--- Steven Weinberg, quoted in The New York Times, April 20, 1999

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false,
and by rulers as useful."
--- Seneca the Younger (4? BC - 65 AD)

"Religion once ruled the world. It was called the Dark Ages." --- Ruth
Green.

"Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings." ---
Victor Stenger.

"I don't believe in God because I don't believe in Mother Goose." ---
Clarence Darrow

"As my ancestors are free from slavery, I am free from the slavery of
religion." --- Butterfly McQueen

"Faith is believing what you know ain't so." --- Mark Twain

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in
all fiction." --- Richard Dawkins

"Cult today, religion tomorrow."

The Freedom From Religion Foundation: http://ffrf.org/
The Secular Coalition for America: www.secular.org
Secular Student Alliance: www.secularstudents.org
www.infidels.org
www.humaniststudies.org
www.atheistalliance.org
www.americanhumanist.org
Judas Holder
2011-07-28 18:52:17 UTC
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Post by Freedom Man
See what RELIGION does to peoples' minds?
Atheism is a religion. You were going to say...?
Smiler
2011-07-28 23:56:47 UTC
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Post by Judas Holder
Post by Freedom Man
See what RELIGION does to peoples' minds?
Atheism is a religion. You were going to say...?
No it isn't. It's a lack of religion.
--
Smiler,
The godless one. a.a.# 2279
All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.
Uncle Vic
2011-07-29 03:20:29 UTC
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Post by Judas Holder
Post by Freedom Man
See what RELIGION does to peoples' minds?
Atheism is a religion.
How so?

--
Uncle Vic
Christopher A. Lee
2011-07-29 03:26:38 UTC
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Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Judas Holder
Post by Freedom Man
See what RELIGION does to peoples' minds?
Atheism is a religion.
How so?
See what religion did to Judas Holder's "mind"?
Uncle Vic
2011-07-29 03:57:12 UTC
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Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Judas Holder
Post by Freedom Man
See what RELIGION does to peoples' minds?
Atheism is a religion.
How so?
See what religion did to Judas Holder's "mind"?
Yup. He apparently can't imagine life without delusion.

--
Uncle Vic
Gunner Asch
2011-07-30 06:30:52 UTC
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Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Judas Holder
Post by Freedom Man
See what RELIGION does to peoples' minds?
Atheism is a religion.
How so?
See what religion did to Judas Holder's "mind"?
Yup. He apparently can't imagine life without delusion.
Evidently you puds are not aware that the 17th Judicial Court ruled that
atheism is a religion....

<VBG>


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Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head.
Uncle Vic
2011-07-30 15:13:58 UTC
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Post by Gunner Asch
Evidently you puds are not aware that the 17th Judicial Court ruled that
atheism is a religion....
With all the tax benefits too?

Guffaw!

--
UV
Gunner Asch
2011-07-30 18:39:25 UTC
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Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Gunner Asch
Evidently you puds are not aware that the 17th Judicial Court ruled that
atheism is a religion....
With all the tax benefits too?
Guffaw!
Which ones might those be? Simply because you Atheists dont have good
organizations skills and havent lobbied for them......shrug

Gunner

--
Maxim 12: A soft answer turneth away wrath.
Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head.
Mitchell Holman
2011-07-30 18:58:55 UTC
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Post by Gunner Asch
Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Gunner Asch
Evidently you puds are not aware that the 17th Judicial Court ruled
that atheism is a religion....
With all the tax benefits too?
Guffaw!
Which ones might those be? Simply because you Atheists dont have good
organizations skills and havent lobbied for them......shrug
Maybe if they got the tax exemptions and federal
aid to "faith based" nonprofits that would change.

Why DO religionists get so much special treatment
while claiming to be a discriminated minority", anyway?
pyotr filipivich
2011-07-31 00:09:27 UTC
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Post by Gunner Asch
Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Gunner Asch
Evidently you puds are not aware that the 17th Judicial Court ruled that
atheism is a religion....
With all the tax benefits too?
Guffaw!
Which ones might those be? Simply because you Atheists dont have good
organizations skills and havent lobbied for them......shrug
There are religions which, for one reason or another, do not have
an "official" presence in the tax tables. Usually by their own
choice.


tschus
pyotr
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Just about the time you finally see light at the end of the tunnel,
you find out it's a Government Project to build more tunnel.
Hail Clayton, Full Of Disgrace
2011-07-29 04:55:25 UTC
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Post by Freedom Man
See what RELIGION does to peoples' minds?
Atheism is a religion. You were going to say...?

Is bald a hair colour? Is not eating a style of cuisine? Is a vacant lot a
type of building? Atheism is not a religion...it's simply lack of belief in
invisible sky fairies!
Shall not be infringed
2011-07-29 15:21:56 UTC
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On Jul 29, 12:55 am, "Hail Clayton, Full Of Disgrace"
Post by Freedom Man
See what RELIGION does to peoples' minds?
Atheism is a religion.  You were going to say...?
Is bald a hair colour?  Is not eating a style of cuisine?  Is a vacant lot a
type of building?  Atheism is not a religion...it's simply lack of belief in
invisible sky fairies!
It is a religion born of sheer zealotry.
SkyEyes
2011-08-02 04:32:31 UTC
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On Jul 29, 8:21 am, Shall not be infringed <hot-ham-and-
Post by Shall not be infringed
On Jul 29, 12:55 am, "Hail Clayton, Full Of Disgrace"
Post by Freedom Man
See what RELIGION does to peoples' minds?
Atheism is a religion.  You were going to say...?
Is bald a hair colour?  Is not eating a style of cuisine?  Is a vacant lot a
type of building?  Atheism is not a religion...it's simply lack of belief in
invisible sky fairies!
It is a religion born of sheer zealotry.
How is not believing in supernatural critters a "religion"? You don't
get to just throw words around willy-nilly: they mean something.
Nothing in the definition of "religion" applies to atheism.

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
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skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
Gunner Asch
2011-08-02 05:42:03 UTC
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Post by SkyEyes
How is not believing in supernatural critters a "religion"? You don't
get to just throw words around willy-nilly: they mean something.
Nothing in the definition of "religion" applies to atheism.
Atheism is nothing more than a faith based religious belief.


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capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
fools that made him their prince".
Mike Painter
2011-08-03 09:11:49 UTC
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Post by Gunner Asch
Post by SkyEyes
How is not believing in supernatural critters a "religion"? You
don't get to just throw words around willy-nilly: they mean
something. Nothing in the definition of "religion" applies to
atheism.
Atheism is nothing more than a faith based religious belief.
YES! YES YES
And when I stopped believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, those
became religions.
I do not believe that my cat will ever fly or learn to speak Russian.
I now bow down to Elvira.

And then there is this broccoli thing. I don't believe I will ever be able
to eat it without throwing up.

It is not only a religion but one shared by The First Bush. Do I tithe him
or the green stuff?

Tell me, do you believe in Thor?
PaxPerPoten
2011-08-03 09:32:46 UTC
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Post by Mike Painter
Post by Gunner Asch
Post by SkyEyes
How is not believing in supernatural critters a "religion"? You
don't get to just throw words around willy-nilly: they mean
something. Nothing in the definition of "religion" applies to
atheism.
Atheism is nothing more than a faith based religious belief.
YES! YES YES
And when I stopped believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, those
became religions.
I do not believe that my cat will ever fly or learn to speak Russian.
I now bow down to Elvira.
And then there is this broccoli thing. I don't believe I will ever be able
to eat it without throwing up.
It is not only a religion but one shared by The First Bush. Do I tithe him
or the green stuff?
Tell me, do you believe in Thor?
Only when hammered! ;-)
--
It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard
the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all
ages who mean to govern well, but *They mean to govern*. They promise to
be good masters, *but they mean to be masters*. Daniel Webster
Ben Kaufman
2011-08-03 13:41:08 UTC
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Post by Mike Painter
Post by Gunner Asch
Post by SkyEyes
How is not believing in supernatural critters a "religion"? You
don't get to just throw words around willy-nilly: they mean
something. Nothing in the definition of "religion" applies to
atheism.
Atheism is nothing more than a faith based religious belief.
YES! YES YES
And when I stopped believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, those
became religions.
I do not believe that my cat will ever fly or learn to speak Russian.
I now bow down to Elvira.
And then there is this broccoli thing. I don't believe I will ever be able
to eat it without throwing up.
It is not only a religion but one shared by The First Bush. Do I tithe him
or the green stuff?
Tell me, do you believe in Thor?
Get saved, it's never too late to follow the only true path of "Not stamp
collecting."
Smiler
2011-08-03 22:36:03 UTC
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Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Mike Painter
Post by Gunner Asch
Post by SkyEyes
How is not believing in supernatural critters a "religion"? You
don't get to just throw words around willy-nilly: they mean
something. Nothing in the definition of "religion" applies to
atheism.
Atheism is nothing more than a faith based religious belief.
YES! YES YES
And when I stopped believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, those
became religions.
I do not believe that my cat will ever fly or learn to speak Russian.
I now bow down to Elvira.
And then there is this broccoli thing. I don't believe I will ever be able
to eat it without throwing up.
It is not only a religion but one shared by The First Bush. Do I tithe him
or the green stuff?
Tell me, do you believe in Thor?
Get saved, it's never too late to follow the only true path of "Not stamp
collecting."
HERETIC! The only true path is to follow Baldylocks, May his Shiny Pate
dazzle the unbelievers!
--
Smiler,

The godless one. a.a.# 2279

All gods are tailored to order. They're made to

exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.
Mike Painter
2011-08-04 00:02:55 UTC
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Post by Smiler
On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 02:11:49 -0700, "Mike Painter"
Post by Mike Painter
Post by Gunner Asch
Post by SkyEyes
How is not believing in supernatural critters a "religion"? You
don't get to just throw words around willy-nilly: they mean
something. Nothing in the definition of "religion" applies to
atheism.
Atheism is nothing more than a faith based religious belief.
YES! YES YES
And when I stopped believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny,
those became religions.
I do not believe that my cat will ever fly or learn to speak
Russian.
I now bow down to Elvira.
And then there is this broccoli thing. I don't believe I will ever
be able to eat it without throwing up.
It is not only a religion but one shared by The First Bush. Do I
tithe him or the green stuff?
Tell me, do you believe in Thor?
Get saved, it's never too late to follow the only true path of "Not
stamp collecting."
HERETIC! The only true path is to follow Baldylocks, May his Shiny
Pate dazzle the unbelievers!
I'm sorry but if you believe in Baldylocks it is clear that it is not a
religion to you.
I don't believ in him so look for my face reflected in his dome.
Ben Kaufman
2011-08-04 17:05:57 UTC
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Post by Smiler
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Mike Painter
Post by Gunner Asch
Post by SkyEyes
How is not believing in supernatural critters a "religion"? You
don't get to just throw words around willy-nilly: they mean
something. Nothing in the definition of "religion" applies to
atheism.
Atheism is nothing more than a faith based religious belief.
YES! YES YES
And when I stopped believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, those
became religions.
I do not believe that my cat will ever fly or learn to speak Russian.
I now bow down to Elvira.
And then there is this broccoli thing. I don't believe I will ever be able
to eat it without throwing up.
It is not only a religion but one shared by The First Bush. Do I tithe him
or the green stuff?
Tell me, do you believe in Thor?
Get saved, it's never too late to follow the only true path of "Not stamp
collecting."
HERETIC! The only true path is to follow Baldylocks, May his Shiny Pate
dazzle the unbelievers!
You're the heretic, the evidence for "Not Stamp Collecting" is all around us!
Smiler
2011-08-04 22:56:30 UTC
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Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Smiler
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Mike Painter
Post by Gunner Asch
Post by SkyEyes
How is not believing in supernatural critters a "religion"? You
don't get to just throw words around willy-nilly: they mean
something. Nothing in the definition of "religion" applies to
atheism.
Atheism is nothing more than a faith based religious belief.
YES! YES YES
And when I stopped believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, those
became religions.
I do not believe that my cat will ever fly or learn to speak Russian.
I now bow down to Elvira.
And then there is this broccoli thing. I don't believe I will ever be able
to eat it without throwing up.
It is not only a religion but one shared by The First Bush. Do I tithe him
or the green stuff?
Tell me, do you believe in Thor?
Get saved, it's never too late to follow the only true path of "Not stamp
collecting."
HERETIC! The only true path is to follow Baldylocks, May his Shiny Pate
dazzle the unbelievers!
You're the heretic, the evidence for "Not Stamp Collecting" is all around us!
Only to the unhinged.
--
Smiler,
The godless one. a.a.# 2279
All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.
Hannele
2011-08-04 23:07:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by Smiler
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Smiler
On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 02:11:49 -0700, "Mike Painter"
Post by Mike Painter
Post by Gunner Asch
Post by SkyEyes
How is not believing in supernatural critters a "religion"? You
don't get to just throw words around willy-nilly: they mean
something. Nothing in the definition of "religion" applies to
atheism.
Atheism is nothing more than a faith based religious belief.
YES! YES YES
And when I stopped believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, those
became religions.
I do not believe that my cat will ever fly or learn to speak Russian.
I now bow down to Elvira.
And then there is this broccoli thing. I don't believe I will ever be able
to eat it without throwing up.
It is not only a religion but one shared by The First Bush. Do I tithe him
or the green stuff?
Tell me, do you believe in Thor?
Get saved, it's never too late to follow the only true path of "Not stamp
collecting."
HERETIC! The only true path is to follow Baldylocks, May his Shiny Pate
dazzle the unbelievers!
You're the heretic, the evidence for "Not Stamp Collecting" is all around us!
Only to the unhinged.
The ones that became unglued you mean. :-P
--
Hannele, A.A #2211

There are at least as many gods as there are believers.
Smiler
2011-08-06 00:40:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by Hannele
Post by Smiler
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Smiler
On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 02:11:49 -0700, "Mike Painter"
Post by Mike Painter
Post by Gunner Asch
Post by SkyEyes
How is not believing in supernatural critters a "religion"? You
don't get to just throw words around willy-nilly: they mean
something. Nothing in the definition of "religion" applies to
atheism.
Atheism is nothing more than a faith based religious belief.
YES! YES YES
And when I stopped believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, those
became religions.
I do not believe that my cat will ever fly or learn to speak Russian.
I now bow down to Elvira.
And then there is this broccoli thing. I don't believe I will ever be able
to eat it without throwing up.
It is not only a religion but one shared by The First Bush. Do I tithe him
or the green stuff?
Tell me, do you believe in Thor?
Get saved, it's never too late to follow the only true path of "Not stamp
collecting."
HERETIC! The only true path is to follow Baldylocks, May his Shiny Pate
dazzle the unbelievers!
You're the heretic, the evidence for "Not Stamp Collecting" is all around us!
Only to the unhinged.
The ones that became unglued you mean. :-P
To be frank, they've no sticking power.
--
Smiler,
The godless one. a.a.# 2279
All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.
Gunner Asch
2011-08-06 07:27:15 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 02:11:49 -0700, "Mike Painter"
Post by Mike Painter
Post by Gunner Asch
Post by SkyEyes
How is not believing in supernatural critters a "religion"? You
don't get to just throw words around willy-nilly: they mean
something. Nothing in the definition of "religion" applies to
atheism.
Atheism is nothing more than a faith based religious belief.
YES! YES YES
And when I stopped believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, those
became religions.
I do not believe that my cat will ever fly or learn to speak Russian.
I now bow down to Elvira.
And then there is this broccoli thing. I don't believe I will ever be able
to eat it without throwing up.
It is not only a religion but one shared by The First Bush. Do I tithe him
or the green stuff?
Tell me, do you believe in Thor?
Im Buddhist.

Thor is entirely possible.

I simply have no proof one way or another.

Much like Atheists as a matter of fact.

Gunner

--
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
fools that made him their prince".
Ben Kaufman
2011-08-06 23:14:06 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 02:11:49 -0700, "Mike Painter"
Post by Mike Painter
Post by Gunner Asch
Post by SkyEyes
How is not believing in supernatural critters a "religion"? You
don't get to just throw words around willy-nilly: they mean
something. Nothing in the definition of "religion" applies to
atheism.
Atheism is nothing more than a faith based religious belief.
YES! YES YES
And when I stopped believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, those
became religions.
I do not believe that my cat will ever fly or learn to speak Russian.
I now bow down to Elvira.
And then there is this broccoli thing. I don't believe I will ever be able
to eat it without throwing up.
It is not only a religion but one shared by The First Bush. Do I tithe him
or the green stuff?
Tell me, do you believe in Thor?
Im Buddhist.
Thor is entirely possible.
I simply have no proof one way or another.
Much like Atheists as a matter of fact.
Gunner
So you must be on the fence about Harry Potter too? The point is that he was
conceived the same way as Thor and God, in story books.
Gunner Asch
2011-08-07 03:50:25 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 06 Aug 2011 19:14:06 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 02:11:49 -0700, "Mike Painter"
Post by Mike Painter
Post by Gunner Asch
Post by SkyEyes
How is not believing in supernatural critters a "religion"? You
don't get to just throw words around willy-nilly: they mean
something. Nothing in the definition of "religion" applies to
atheism.
Atheism is nothing more than a faith based religious belief.
YES! YES YES
And when I stopped believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, those
became religions.
I do not believe that my cat will ever fly or learn to speak Russian.
I now bow down to Elvira.
And then there is this broccoli thing. I don't believe I will ever be able
to eat it without throwing up.
It is not only a religion but one shared by The First Bush. Do I tithe him
or the green stuff?
Tell me, do you believe in Thor?
Im Buddhist.
Thor is entirely possible.
I simply have no proof one way or another.
Much like Atheists as a matter of fact.
Gunner
So you must be on the fence about Harry Potter too? The point is that he was
conceived the same way as Thor and God, in story books.
Odd...was Thor and God created in "story books"? I dont recall the very
very early scandinavians HAVING books.

Can you provide some citations to this bleeve of yours?

Or is this some scurvy way of trying to make sense to yourself? Patting
yourself on the back..so to speak?



Gunner

--
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
fools that made him their prince".
Ben Kaufman
2011-08-08 12:19:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gunner Asch
On Sat, 06 Aug 2011 19:14:06 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 02:11:49 -0700, "Mike Painter"
Post by Mike Painter
Post by Gunner Asch
Post by SkyEyes
How is not believing in supernatural critters a "religion"? You
don't get to just throw words around willy-nilly: they mean
something. Nothing in the definition of "religion" applies to
atheism.
Atheism is nothing more than a faith based religious belief.
YES! YES YES
And when I stopped believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, those
became religions.
I do not believe that my cat will ever fly or learn to speak Russian.
I now bow down to Elvira.
And then there is this broccoli thing. I don't believe I will ever be able
to eat it without throwing up.
It is not only a religion but one shared by The First Bush. Do I tithe him
or the green stuff?
Tell me, do you believe in Thor?
Im Buddhist.
Thor is entirely possible.
I simply have no proof one way or another.
Much like Atheists as a matter of fact.
Gunner
So you must be on the fence about Harry Potter too? The point is that he was
conceived the same way as Thor and God, in story books.
Odd...was Thor and God created in "story books"? I dont recall the very
very early scandinavians HAVING books.
Can you provide some citations to this bleeve of yours?
Or is this some scurvy way of trying to make sense to yourself? Patting
yourself on the back..so to speak?
Gunner
You are very presumptuous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor_(Marvel_Comics)
or
http://tinyurl.com/5hpjh2
Gunner Asch
2011-08-08 18:21:53 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 08 Aug 2011 08:19:52 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Gunner Asch
On Sat, 06 Aug 2011 19:14:06 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 02:11:49 -0700, "Mike Painter"
Post by Mike Painter
Post by Gunner Asch
Post by SkyEyes
How is not believing in supernatural critters a "religion"? You
don't get to just throw words around willy-nilly: they mean
something. Nothing in the definition of "religion" applies to
atheism.
Atheism is nothing more than a faith based religious belief.
YES! YES YES
And when I stopped believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, those
became religions.
I do not believe that my cat will ever fly or learn to speak Russian.
I now bow down to Elvira.
And then there is this broccoli thing. I don't believe I will ever be able
to eat it without throwing up.
It is not only a religion but one shared by The First Bush. Do I tithe him
or the green stuff?
Tell me, do you believe in Thor?
Im Buddhist.
Thor is entirely possible.
I simply have no proof one way or another.
Much like Atheists as a matter of fact.
Gunner
So you must be on the fence about Harry Potter too? The point is that he was
conceived the same way as Thor and God, in story books.
Odd...was Thor and God created in "story books"? I dont recall the very
very early scandinavians HAVING books.
Can you provide some citations to this bleeve of yours?
Or is this some scurvy way of trying to make sense to yourself? Patting
yourself on the back..so to speak?
Gunner
You are very presumptuous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor_(Marvel_Comics)
or
http://tinyurl.com/5hpjh2
Blink blink....Marvel Comics as a source for data on Thor??

In Norse mythology, Thor (from Old Norse Þórr) is a hammer-wielding god
associated with thunder, lightning, storms, oak trees, strength,
destruction, fertility, healing, and the protection of mankind. The
cognate deity in wider Germanic mythology and paganism was known in Old
English as Þunor and in Old High German as Donar (runic þonar ?????),
stemming from a Common Germanic *Þunraz (meaning "thunder").

Ultimately stemming from Proto-Indo-European religion, Thor is a
prominently mentioned god throughout the recorded history of the
Germanic peoples, from the Roman occupation of regions of Germania,

Lets see...the Romans fought the Germanicas in 12 BC

Are you claiming that the Germanicas suddenly sprang from the earth at
13.5 BC?


Interesting. You are young, and you got really good grades in Self
Esteem...right?

Now..care to tax that mush filled skull of yours and tell us how long
the Germanicas were around prior to the Romans showing up?

Hummmm????

Gunner



--
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
fools that made him their prince".
Ben Kaufman
2011-08-10 00:45:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gunner Asch
On Mon, 08 Aug 2011 08:19:52 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Gunner Asch
On Sat, 06 Aug 2011 19:14:06 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 02:11:49 -0700, "Mike Painter"
Post by Mike Painter
Post by Gunner Asch
Post by SkyEyes
How is not believing in supernatural critters a "religion"? You
don't get to just throw words around willy-nilly: they mean
something. Nothing in the definition of "religion" applies to
atheism.
Atheism is nothing more than a faith based religious belief.
YES! YES YES
And when I stopped believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, those
became religions.
I do not believe that my cat will ever fly or learn to speak Russian.
I now bow down to Elvira.
And then there is this broccoli thing. I don't believe I will ever be able
to eat it without throwing up.
It is not only a religion but one shared by The First Bush. Do I tithe him
or the green stuff?
Tell me, do you believe in Thor?
Im Buddhist.
Thor is entirely possible.
I simply have no proof one way or another.
Much like Atheists as a matter of fact.
Gunner
So you must be on the fence about Harry Potter too? The point is that he was
conceived the same way as Thor and God, in story books.
Odd...was Thor and God created in "story books"? I dont recall the very
very early scandinavians HAVING books.
Can you provide some citations to this bleeve of yours?
Or is this some scurvy way of trying to make sense to yourself? Patting
yourself on the back..so to speak?
Gunner
You are very presumptuous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor_(Marvel_Comics)
or
http://tinyurl.com/5hpjh2
Blink blink....Marvel Comics as a source for data on Thor??
Why not? Does it affect your opinion on the question of Thor's actual existence?
Post by Gunner Asch
In Norse mythology, Thor (from Old Norse Þórr) is a hammer-wielding god
associated with thunder, lightning, storms, oak trees, strength,
destruction, fertility, healing, and the protection of mankind. The
cognate deity in wider Germanic mythology and paganism was known in Old
English as Þunor and in Old High German as Donar (runic þonar ?????),
stemming from a Common Germanic *Þunraz (meaning "thunder").
Ultimately stemming from Proto-Indo-European religion, Thor is a
prominently mentioned god throughout the recorded history of the
Germanic peoples, from the Roman occupation of regions of Germania,
Lets see...the Romans fought the Germanicas in 12 BC
Are you claiming that the Germanicas suddenly sprang from the earth at
13.5 BC?
You are missing the point. There is no more factual support for ancient origins
about Thor than for the Marvel Comics version. When someone claims a
supernatural being exists by virtue of stories rather than supporting facts it
doesn't make it a "head scratcher" of not knowing whether this character
actually exists or not.
Post by Gunner Asch
Interesting. You are young, and you got really good grades in Self
Esteem...right?
No, unlike you, I didn't go to one of those special schools. You still have all
the stars?
Post by Gunner Asch
Now..care to tax that mush filled skull of yours and tell us how long
the Germanicas were around prior to the Romans showing up?
Hummmm????
Gunner
Gunner Asch
2011-08-10 05:23:19 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 09 Aug 2011 20:45:12 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Gunner Asch
On Mon, 08 Aug 2011 08:19:52 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Gunner Asch
On Sat, 06 Aug 2011 19:14:06 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 02:11:49 -0700, "Mike Painter"
Post by Mike Painter
Post by Gunner Asch
Post by SkyEyes
How is not believing in supernatural critters a "religion"? You
don't get to just throw words around willy-nilly: they mean
something. Nothing in the definition of "religion" applies to
atheism.
Atheism is nothing more than a faith based religious belief.
YES! YES YES
And when I stopped believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, those
became religions.
I do not believe that my cat will ever fly or learn to speak Russian.
I now bow down to Elvira.
And then there is this broccoli thing. I don't believe I will ever be able
to eat it without throwing up.
It is not only a religion but one shared by The First Bush. Do I tithe him
or the green stuff?
Tell me, do you believe in Thor?
Im Buddhist.
Thor is entirely possible.
I simply have no proof one way or another.
Much like Atheists as a matter of fact.
Gunner
So you must be on the fence about Harry Potter too? The point is that he was
conceived the same way as Thor and God, in story books.
Odd...was Thor and God created in "story books"? I dont recall the very
very early scandinavians HAVING books.
Can you provide some citations to this bleeve of yours?
Or is this some scurvy way of trying to make sense to yourself? Patting
yourself on the back..so to speak?
Gunner
You are very presumptuous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor_(Marvel_Comics)
or
http://tinyurl.com/5hpjh2
Blink blink....Marvel Comics as a source for data on Thor??
Why not? Does it affect your opinion on the question of Thor's actual existence?
Im Buddhist. Evidently you are implying that you are just another faith
based Atheist?

So you ARE trying to pat yourself on the back.

For what?
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Gunner Asch
In Norse mythology, Thor (from Old Norse Þórr) is a hammer-wielding god
associated with thunder, lightning, storms, oak trees, strength,
destruction, fertility, healing, and the protection of mankind. The
cognate deity in wider Germanic mythology and paganism was known in Old
English as Þunor and in Old High German as Donar (runic þonar ?????),
stemming from a Common Germanic *Þunraz (meaning "thunder").
Ultimately stemming from Proto-Indo-European religion, Thor is a
prominently mentioned god throughout the recorded history of the
Germanic peoples, from the Roman occupation of regions of Germania,
Lets see...the Romans fought the Germanicas in 12 BC
Are you claiming that the Germanicas suddenly sprang from the earth at
13.5 BC?
You are missing the point. There is no more factual support for ancient origins
about Thor than for the Marvel Comics version. When someone claims a
supernatural being exists by virtue of stories rather than supporting facts it
doesn't make it a "head scratcher" of not knowing whether this character
actually exists or not.
Post by Gunner Asch
Interesting. You are young, and you got really good grades in Self
Esteem...right?
No, unlike you, I didn't go to one of those special schools. You still have all
the stars?
So that explains your ignorance. Why did you drop out of school?

You were one of those stoners that believed getting high was more
important than school....werent you?
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Gunner Asch
Now..care to tax that mush filled skull of yours and tell us how long
the Germanicas were around prior to the Romans showing up?
Hummmm????
Gunner
--
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
fools that made him their prince".
Ben Kaufman
2011-08-10 12:48:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gunner Asch
On Tue, 09 Aug 2011 20:45:12 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Gunner Asch
On Mon, 08 Aug 2011 08:19:52 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Gunner Asch
On Sat, 06 Aug 2011 19:14:06 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 02:11:49 -0700, "Mike Painter"
Post by Mike Painter
Post by Gunner Asch
Post by SkyEyes
How is not believing in supernatural critters a "religion"? You
don't get to just throw words around willy-nilly: they mean
something. Nothing in the definition of "religion" applies to
atheism.
Atheism is nothing more than a faith based religious belief.
YES! YES YES
And when I stopped believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, those
became religions.
I do not believe that my cat will ever fly or learn to speak Russian.
I now bow down to Elvira.
And then there is this broccoli thing. I don't believe I will ever be able
to eat it without throwing up.
It is not only a religion but one shared by The First Bush. Do I tithe him
or the green stuff?
Tell me, do you believe in Thor?
Im Buddhist.
Thor is entirely possible.
I simply have no proof one way or another.
Much like Atheists as a matter of fact.
Gunner
So you must be on the fence about Harry Potter too? The point is that he was
conceived the same way as Thor and God, in story books.
Odd...was Thor and God created in "story books"? I dont recall the very
very early scandinavians HAVING books.
Can you provide some citations to this bleeve of yours?
Or is this some scurvy way of trying to make sense to yourself? Patting
yourself on the back..so to speak?
Gunner
You are very presumptuous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor_(Marvel_Comics)
or
http://tinyurl.com/5hpjh2
Blink blink....Marvel Comics as a source for data on Thor??
Why not? Does it affect your opinion on the question of Thor's actual existence?
Im Buddhist.
<SNIP>
Yes, you seem to say that alot.
Gunner Asch
2011-08-10 18:06:07 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 08:48:32 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Gunner Asch
On Tue, 09 Aug 2011 20:45:12 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Gunner Asch
On Mon, 08 Aug 2011 08:19:52 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Gunner Asch
On Sat, 06 Aug 2011 19:14:06 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 02:11:49 -0700, "Mike Painter"
Post by Mike Painter
Post by Gunner Asch
Post by SkyEyes
How is not believing in supernatural critters a "religion"? You
don't get to just throw words around willy-nilly: they mean
something. Nothing in the definition of "religion" applies to
atheism.
Atheism is nothing more than a faith based religious belief.
YES! YES YES
And when I stopped believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, those
became religions.
I do not believe that my cat will ever fly or learn to speak Russian.
I now bow down to Elvira.
And then there is this broccoli thing. I don't believe I will ever be able
to eat it without throwing up.
It is not only a religion but one shared by The First Bush. Do I tithe him
or the green stuff?
Tell me, do you believe in Thor?
Im Buddhist.
Thor is entirely possible.
I simply have no proof one way or another.
Much like Atheists as a matter of fact.
Gunner
So you must be on the fence about Harry Potter too? The point is that he was
conceived the same way as Thor and God, in story books.
Odd...was Thor and God created in "story books"? I dont recall the very
very early scandinavians HAVING books.
Can you provide some citations to this bleeve of yours?
Or is this some scurvy way of trying to make sense to yourself? Patting
yourself on the back..so to speak?
Gunner
You are very presumptuous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor_(Marvel_Comics)
or
http://tinyurl.com/5hpjh2
Blink blink....Marvel Comics as a source for data on Thor??
Why not? Does it affect your opinion on the question of Thor's actual existence?
Im Buddhist.
<SNIP>
Yes, you seem to say that alot.
And?

You are the pud who claims Marvel Comics is a good source of information
on Thor.

So we can be sure that you have the intelligence level of pond scum.

Was there anything else you wished to show your utter stupidity about?

If not, you are dismissed.

Gunner

--
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
fools that made him their prince".
Ben Kaufman
2011-08-11 20:24:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gunner Asch
On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 08:48:32 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Gunner Asch
On Tue, 09 Aug 2011 20:45:12 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Gunner Asch
On Mon, 08 Aug 2011 08:19:52 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Gunner Asch
On Sat, 06 Aug 2011 19:14:06 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 02:11:49 -0700, "Mike Painter"
Post by Mike Painter
Post by Gunner Asch
Post by SkyEyes
How is not believing in supernatural critters a "religion"? You
don't get to just throw words around willy-nilly: they mean
something. Nothing in the definition of "religion" applies to
atheism.
Atheism is nothing more than a faith based religious belief.
YES! YES YES
And when I stopped believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, those
became religions.
I do not believe that my cat will ever fly or learn to speak Russian.
I now bow down to Elvira.
And then there is this broccoli thing. I don't believe I will ever be able
to eat it without throwing up.
It is not only a religion but one shared by The First Bush. Do I tithe him
or the green stuff?
Tell me, do you believe in Thor?
Im Buddhist.
Thor is entirely possible.
I simply have no proof one way or another.
Much like Atheists as a matter of fact.
Gunner
So you must be on the fence about Harry Potter too? The point is that he was
conceived the same way as Thor and God, in story books.
Odd...was Thor and God created in "story books"? I dont recall the very
very early scandinavians HAVING books.
Can you provide some citations to this bleeve of yours?
Or is this some scurvy way of trying to make sense to yourself? Patting
yourself on the back..so to speak?
Gunner
You are very presumptuous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor_(Marvel_Comics)
or
http://tinyurl.com/5hpjh2
Blink blink....Marvel Comics as a source for data on Thor??
Why not? Does it affect your opinion on the question of Thor's actual existence?
Im Buddhist.
<SNIP>
Yes, you seem to say that alot.
And?
You are the pud who claims Marvel Comics is a good source of information
on Thor.
<SNIP>

You were caught with your pants down when you said that Thor's existence was
entirely possible. Marvel comics is as good as any source of information on Thor
when it comes to providing evidence (it doesn't) that a supreme being Thor
actually existed.
Gunner Asch
2011-08-13 14:32:24 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 16:24:12 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Gunner Asch
On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 08:48:32 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Gunner Asch
On Tue, 09 Aug 2011 20:45:12 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Gunner Asch
On Mon, 08 Aug 2011 08:19:52 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Gunner Asch
On Sat, 06 Aug 2011 19:14:06 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 02:11:49 -0700, "Mike Painter"
Post by Mike Painter
Post by Gunner Asch
Post by SkyEyes
How is not believing in supernatural critters a "religion"? You
don't get to just throw words around willy-nilly: they mean
something. Nothing in the definition of "religion" applies to
atheism.
Atheism is nothing more than a faith based religious belief.
YES! YES YES
And when I stopped believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, those
became religions.
I do not believe that my cat will ever fly or learn to speak Russian.
I now bow down to Elvira.
And then there is this broccoli thing. I don't believe I will ever be able
to eat it without throwing up.
It is not only a religion but one shared by The First Bush. Do I tithe him
or the green stuff?
Tell me, do you believe in Thor?
Im Buddhist.
Thor is entirely possible.
I simply have no proof one way or another.
Much like Atheists as a matter of fact.
Gunner
So you must be on the fence about Harry Potter too? The point is that he was
conceived the same way as Thor and God, in story books.
Odd...was Thor and God created in "story books"? I dont recall the very
very early scandinavians HAVING books.
Can you provide some citations to this bleeve of yours?
Or is this some scurvy way of trying to make sense to yourself? Patting
yourself on the back..so to speak?
Gunner
You are very presumptuous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor_(Marvel_Comics)
or
http://tinyurl.com/5hpjh2
Blink blink....Marvel Comics as a source for data on Thor??
Why not? Does it affect your opinion on the question of Thor's actual existence?
Im Buddhist.
<SNIP>
Yes, you seem to say that alot.
And?
You are the pud who claims Marvel Comics is a good source of information
on Thor.
<SNIP>
You were caught with your pants down when you said that Thor's existence was
entirely possible. Marvel comics is as good as any source of information on Thor
when it comes to providing evidence (it doesn't) that a supreme being Thor
actually existed.
So you are claiming that 2000 + yrs of history and millions of peoples
religious beliefs came from Marvel Comics?

Fascinating!

Atheism, just another faith based religious belief.


--
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
fools that made him their prince".
Free Lunch
2011-08-13 14:49:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gunner Asch
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 16:24:12 -0400, Ben Kaufman
...
Post by Gunner Asch
Post by Ben Kaufman
You were caught with your pants down when you said that Thor's existence was
entirely possible. Marvel comics is as good as any source of information on Thor
when it comes to providing evidence (it doesn't) that a supreme being Thor
actually existed.
So you are claiming that 2000 + yrs of history and millions of peoples
religious beliefs came from Marvel Comics?
Fascinating!
Atheism, just another faith based religious belief.
Why do you insist on repeating that falsehood?

You know that it is wrong.
Ben Kaufman
2011-08-14 14:46:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by Free Lunch
Post by Gunner Asch
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 16:24:12 -0400, Ben Kaufman
...
Post by Gunner Asch
Post by Ben Kaufman
You were caught with your pants down when you said that Thor's existence was
entirely possible. Marvel comics is as good as any source of information on Thor
when it comes to providing evidence (it doesn't) that a supreme being Thor
actually existed.
So you are claiming that 2000 + yrs of history and millions of peoples
religious beliefs came from Marvel Comics?
Fascinating!
Atheism, just another faith based religious belief.
Why do you insist on repeating that falsehood?
You know that it is wrong.
The modus operandi of religious fanatics who have been caught with their pants
down is lying.
Gunner Asch
2011-08-14 22:29:17 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:46:03 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Free Lunch
Post by Gunner Asch
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 16:24:12 -0400, Ben Kaufman
...
Post by Gunner Asch
Post by Ben Kaufman
You were caught with your pants down when you said that Thor's existence was
entirely possible. Marvel comics is as good as any source of information on Thor
when it comes to providing evidence (it doesn't) that a supreme being Thor
actually existed.
So you are claiming that 2000 + yrs of history and millions of peoples
religious beliefs came from Marvel Comics?
Fascinating!
Atheism, just another faith based religious belief.
Why do you insist on repeating that falsehood?
You know that it is wrong.
The modus operandi of religious fanatics who have been caught with their pants
down is lying.
The modus operandi of anti religious fantatics is to deny their
religious beliefs.

But..the US court system has proven otherwise.

<VBG>

Gunner

--
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
fools that made him their prince".
Ben Kaufman
2011-08-14 14:44:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gunner Asch
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 16:24:12 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Gunner Asch
On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 08:48:32 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Gunner Asch
On Tue, 09 Aug 2011 20:45:12 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Gunner Asch
On Mon, 08 Aug 2011 08:19:52 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Gunner Asch
On Sat, 06 Aug 2011 19:14:06 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 02:11:49 -0700, "Mike Painter"
Post by Mike Painter
Post by Gunner Asch
Post by SkyEyes
How is not believing in supernatural critters a "religion"? You
don't get to just throw words around willy-nilly: they mean
something. Nothing in the definition of "religion" applies to
atheism.
Atheism is nothing more than a faith based religious belief.
YES! YES YES
And when I stopped believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, those
became religions.
I do not believe that my cat will ever fly or learn to speak Russian.
I now bow down to Elvira.
And then there is this broccoli thing. I don't believe I will ever be able
to eat it without throwing up.
It is not only a religion but one shared by The First Bush. Do I tithe him
or the green stuff?
Tell me, do you believe in Thor?
Im Buddhist.
Thor is entirely possible.
I simply have no proof one way or another.
Much like Atheists as a matter of fact.
Gunner
So you must be on the fence about Harry Potter too? The point is that he was
conceived the same way as Thor and God, in story books.
Odd...was Thor and God created in "story books"? I dont recall the very
very early scandinavians HAVING books.
Can you provide some citations to this bleeve of yours?
Or is this some scurvy way of trying to make sense to yourself? Patting
yourself on the back..so to speak?
Gunner
You are very presumptuous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor_(Marvel_Comics)
or
http://tinyurl.com/5hpjh2
Blink blink....Marvel Comics as a source for data on Thor??
Why not? Does it affect your opinion on the question of Thor's actual existence?
Im Buddhist.
<SNIP>
Yes, you seem to say that alot.
And?
You are the pud who claims Marvel Comics is a good source of information
on Thor.
<SNIP>
You were caught with your pants down when you said that Thor's existence was
entirely possible. Marvel comics is as good as any source of information on Thor
when it comes to providing evidence (it doesn't) that a supreme being Thor
actually existed.
So you are claiming that 2000 + yrs of history and millions of peoples
religious beliefs came from Marvel Comics?
Fascinating!
Atheism, just another faith based religious belief.
So you are claiming that Thor's existence is entirely possible because some
primitive story tellers thought it up 2000 years ago? Religious thinking is what
makes the highly impossible seem "entirely possible." Now pull up your pants.
Shall not be infringed
2011-08-14 15:33:10 UTC
Permalink
Copernicus has some pretty wild stories a while back, too.
Gunner Asch
2011-08-14 22:28:21 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:44:40 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Gunner Asch
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 16:24:12 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Gunner Asch
On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 08:48:32 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Gunner Asch
On Tue, 09 Aug 2011 20:45:12 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Gunner Asch
On Mon, 08 Aug 2011 08:19:52 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Gunner Asch
On Sat, 06 Aug 2011 19:14:06 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 02:11:49 -0700, "Mike Painter"
Post by Mike Painter
Post by Gunner Asch
Post by SkyEyes
How is not believing in supernatural critters a "religion"? You
don't get to just throw words around willy-nilly: they mean
something. Nothing in the definition of "religion" applies to
atheism.
Atheism is nothing more than a faith based religious belief.
YES! YES YES
And when I stopped believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, those
became religions.
I do not believe that my cat will ever fly or learn to speak Russian.
I now bow down to Elvira.
And then there is this broccoli thing. I don't believe I will ever be able
to eat it without throwing up.
It is not only a religion but one shared by The First Bush. Do I tithe him
or the green stuff?
Tell me, do you believe in Thor?
Im Buddhist.
Thor is entirely possible.
I simply have no proof one way or another.
Much like Atheists as a matter of fact.
Gunner
So you must be on the fence about Harry Potter too? The point is that he was
conceived the same way as Thor and God, in story books.
Odd...was Thor and God created in "story books"? I dont recall the very
very early scandinavians HAVING books.
Can you provide some citations to this bleeve of yours?
Or is this some scurvy way of trying to make sense to yourself? Patting
yourself on the back..so to speak?
Gunner
You are very presumptuous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor_(Marvel_Comics)
or
http://tinyurl.com/5hpjh2
Blink blink....Marvel Comics as a source for data on Thor??
Why not? Does it affect your opinion on the question of Thor's actual existence?
Im Buddhist.
<SNIP>
Yes, you seem to say that alot.
And?
You are the pud who claims Marvel Comics is a good source of information
on Thor.
<SNIP>
You were caught with your pants down when you said that Thor's existence was
entirely possible. Marvel comics is as good as any source of information on Thor
when it comes to providing evidence (it doesn't) that a supreme being Thor
actually existed.
So you are claiming that 2000 + yrs of history and millions of peoples
religious beliefs came from Marvel Comics?
Fascinating!
Atheism, just another faith based religious belief.
So you are claiming that Thor's existence is entirely possible because some
primitive story tellers thought it up 2000 years ago? Religious thinking is what
makes the highly impossible seem "entirely possible." Now pull up your pants.
Im saying you have no proof one way or another.

And are you done sucking my dick? If so..Ill pull up my trou..but I
havent given you the milk of human kindness down your throat yet.

Gunner

--
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
fools that made him their prince".
Ben Kaufman
2011-08-15 13:09:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gunner Asch
On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:44:40 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Gunner Asch
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 16:24:12 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Gunner Asch
On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 08:48:32 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Gunner Asch
On Tue, 09 Aug 2011 20:45:12 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Gunner Asch
On Mon, 08 Aug 2011 08:19:52 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Gunner Asch
On Sat, 06 Aug 2011 19:14:06 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 02:11:49 -0700, "Mike Painter"
Post by Mike Painter
Post by Gunner Asch
Post by SkyEyes
How is not believing in supernatural critters a "religion"? You
don't get to just throw words around willy-nilly: they mean
something. Nothing in the definition of "religion" applies to
atheism.
Atheism is nothing more than a faith based religious belief.
YES! YES YES
And when I stopped believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, those
became religions.
I do not believe that my cat will ever fly or learn to speak Russian.
I now bow down to Elvira.
And then there is this broccoli thing. I don't believe I will ever be able
to eat it without throwing up.
It is not only a religion but one shared by The First Bush. Do I tithe him
or the green stuff?
Tell me, do you believe in Thor?
Im Buddhist.
Thor is entirely possible.
I simply have no proof one way or another.
Much like Atheists as a matter of fact.
Gunner
So you must be on the fence about Harry Potter too? The point is that he was
conceived the same way as Thor and God, in story books.
Odd...was Thor and God created in "story books"? I dont recall the very
very early scandinavians HAVING books.
Can you provide some citations to this bleeve of yours?
Or is this some scurvy way of trying to make sense to yourself? Patting
yourself on the back..so to speak?
Gunner
You are very presumptuous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor_(Marvel_Comics)
or
http://tinyurl.com/5hpjh2
Blink blink....Marvel Comics as a source for data on Thor??
Why not? Does it affect your opinion on the question of Thor's actual existence?
Im Buddhist.
<SNIP>
Yes, you seem to say that alot.
And?
You are the pud who claims Marvel Comics is a good source of information
on Thor.
<SNIP>
You were caught with your pants down when you said that Thor's existence was
entirely possible. Marvel comics is as good as any source of information on Thor
when it comes to providing evidence (it doesn't) that a supreme being Thor
actually existed.
So you are claiming that 2000 + yrs of history and millions of peoples
religious beliefs came from Marvel Comics?
Fascinating!
Atheism, just another faith based religious belief.
So you are claiming that Thor's existence is entirely possible because some
primitive story tellers thought it up 2000 years ago? Religious thinking is what
makes the highly impossible seem "entirely possible." Now pull up your pants.
Im saying you have no proof one way or another.
And are you done sucking my dick? If so..Ill pull up my trou..but I
havent given you the milk of human kindness down your throat yet.
Gunner
Thanks for revealing your true vile and disgusting nature. Go back under your
rock.
Gunner Asch
2011-08-15 19:05:05 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:09:02 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Gunner Asch
On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:44:40 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Gunner Asch
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 16:24:12 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Gunner Asch
On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 08:48:32 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Gunner Asch
On Tue, 09 Aug 2011 20:45:12 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Gunner Asch
On Mon, 08 Aug 2011 08:19:52 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
Post by Gunner Asch
On Sat, 06 Aug 2011 19:14:06 -0400, Ben Kaufman
Post by Ben Kaufman
On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 02:11:49 -0700, "Mike Painter"
Post by Mike Painter
Post by Gunner Asch
Post by SkyEyes
How is not believing in supernatural critters a "religion"? You
don't get to just throw words around willy-nilly: they mean
something. Nothing in the definition of "religion" applies to
atheism.
Atheism is nothing more than a faith based religious belief.
YES! YES YES
And when I stopped believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, those
became religions.
I do not believe that my cat will ever fly or learn to speak Russian.
I now bow down to Elvira.
And then there is this broccoli thing. I don't believe I will ever be able
to eat it without throwing up.
It is not only a religion but one shared by The First Bush. Do I tithe him
or the green stuff?
Tell me, do you believe in Thor?
Im Buddhist.
Thor is entirely possible.
I simply have no proof one way or another.
Much like Atheists as a matter of fact.
Gunner
So you must be on the fence about Harry Potter too? The point is that he was
conceived the same way as Thor and God, in story books.
Odd...was Thor and God created in "story books"? I dont recall the very
very early scandinavians HAVING books.
Can you provide some citations to this bleeve of yours?
Or is this some scurvy way of trying to make sense to yourself? Patting
yourself on the back..so to speak?
Gunner
You are very presumptuous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor_(Marvel_Comics)
or
http://tinyurl.com/5hpjh2
Blink blink....Marvel Comics as a source for data on Thor??
Why not? Does it affect your opinion on the question of Thor's actual existence?
Im Buddhist.
<SNIP>
Yes, you seem to say that alot.
And?
You are the pud who claims Marvel Comics is a good source of information
on Thor.
<SNIP>
You were caught with your pants down when you said that Thor's existence was
entirely possible. Marvel comics is as good as any source of information on Thor
when it comes to providing evidence (it doesn't) that a supreme being Thor
actually existed.
So you are claiming that 2000 + yrs of history and millions of peoples
religious beliefs came from Marvel Comics?
Fascinating!
Atheism, just another faith based religious belief.
So you are claiming that Thor's existence is entirely possible because some
primitive story tellers thought it up 2000 years ago? Religious thinking is what
makes the highly impossible seem "entirely possible." Now pull up your pants.
Im saying you have no proof one way or another.
And are you done sucking my dick? If so..Ill pull up my trou..but I
havent given you the milk of human kindness down your throat yet.
Gunner
Thanks for revealing your true vile and disgusting nature. Go back under your
rock.
My vile and disgusting nature? Its you doing the sucking laddy. Im only
providing the ...humm...how did you say that..."cream filled joint of
delight"?

Gunner

--
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
fools that made him their prince".

Freedom Man
2011-07-29 18:10:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by Judas Holder
Post by Freedom Man
See what RELIGION does to peoples' minds?
Atheism is a religion. You were going to say...?
WRONG - atheism is FREEDOM from religion.
Free Lunch
2011-07-29 18:11:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by Freedom Man
Post by Judas Holder
Post by Freedom Man
See what RELIGION does to peoples' minds?
Atheism is a religion. You were going to say...?
WRONG - atheism is FREEDOM from religion.
There are a group of ignorant, foolish theists who don't have the
ability to understand that and act as if they are proud of how little
they understand.
Gunner Asch
2011-07-30 06:31:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Freedom Man
Post by Judas Holder
Post by Freedom Man
See what RELIGION does to peoples' minds?
Atheism is a religion. You were going to say...?
WRONG - atheism is FREEDOM from religion.
Actually..atheism is just another faith based belief system


--
Maxim 12: A soft answer turneth away wrath.
Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head.
uwankers
2011-07-30 22:33:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by Freedom Man
Post by Judas Holder
Post by Freedom Man
See what RELIGION does to peoples' minds?
Atheism is a religion. You were going to say...?
WRONG - atheism is FREEDOM from religion.
Not according to established American legal precedent.

http://www.wiwd.uscourts.gov/opinions/pdfs/2003-2005/03-C-0027-C-
03-24-06.PDF
Christopher A. Lee
2011-07-29 22:06:31 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 18:52:17 +0000 (UTC), Judas Holder
Post by Judas Holder
Post by Freedom Man
See what RELIGION does to peoples' minds?
Atheism is a religion. You were going to say...?
A liar as well as an idiot.
Uncle Vic
2011-07-29 02:56:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Toni Wu
An atheist group sued today over the inclusion of cross-shaped
steel beams, dubbed the "World Trade Center Cross," at the
National September 11th Memorial and Museum.
You're aware, of course, that the people who died on 9-11 weren't all
Christians. If they erect a cross, they have to give equal time to all the
other religions involved. Fair is fair.

This is why religion needs to be kept private.

--
Uncle Vic
Christopher A. Lee
2011-07-29 03:00:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Toni Wu
An atheist group sued today over the inclusion of cross-shaped
steel beams, dubbed the "World Trade Center Cross," at the
National September 11th Memorial and Museum.
You're aware, of course, that the people who died on 9-11 weren't all
Christians. If they erect a cross, they have to give equal time to all the
other religions involved. Fair is fair.
This is why religion needs to be kept private.
Including the American Muslims who died in the buiding.

The number of victims was large enough to reflect the religious and
racial demographics of the Greater New York Metropolitan Area.
Jeff M
2011-07-29 03:03:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Toni Wu
An atheist group sued today over the inclusion of cross-shaped
steel beams, dubbed the "World Trade Center Cross," at the
National September 11th Memorial and Museum.
You're aware, of course, that the people who died on 9-11 weren't all
Christians. If they erect a cross, they have to give equal time to all the
other religions involved. Fair is fair.
This is why religion needs to be kept private.
The 1st Amendment has two religious clauses, the non-establishment
clause and the free exercise clause. Nothing Constitutional requires
religion "to be kept private," but it is a tough balancing act between
the two prohibitions.

As a Christian, I drew a certain amount of comfort from that cross
during the time I spent working at the WTC site in the immediate
aftermath of the disaster.
Uncle Vic
2011-07-29 03:08:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jeff M
Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Toni Wu
An atheist group sued today over the inclusion of cross-shaped
steel beams, dubbed the "World Trade Center Cross," at the
National September 11th Memorial and Museum.
You're aware, of course, that the people who died on 9-11 weren't all
Christians. If they erect a cross, they have to give equal time to
all the other religions involved. Fair is fair.
This is why religion needs to be kept private.
The 1st Amendment has two religious clauses, the non-establishment
clause and the free exercise clause. Nothing Constitutional requires
religion "to be kept private," but it is a tough balancing act between
the two prohibitions.
As a Christian, I drew a certain amount of comfort from that cross
during the time I spent working at the WTC site in the immediate
aftermath of the disaster.
Good for you, I'm glad you're covered. The minority religions aren't,
though, and when the Muslims decided to erect a mosque a few blocks from
ground zero, it wasn't just atheists that went ballistic.

--
Uncle Vic
Dakota
2011-07-29 06:21:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Jeff M
Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Toni Wu
An atheist group sued today over the inclusion of cross-shaped
steel beams, dubbed the "World Trade Center Cross," at the
National September 11th Memorial and Museum.
You're aware, of course, that the people who died on 9-11 weren't all
Christians. If they erect a cross, they have to give equal time to
all the other religions involved. Fair is fair.
This is why religion needs to be kept private.
The 1st Amendment has two religious clauses, the non-establishment
clause and the free exercise clause. Nothing Constitutional requires
religion "to be kept private," but it is a tough balancing act between
the two prohibitions.
As a Christian, I drew a certain amount of comfort from that cross
during the time I spent working at the WTC site in the immediate
aftermath of the disaster.
Good for you, I'm glad you're covered. The minority religions aren't,
though, and when the Muslims decided to erect a mosque a few blocks from
ground zero, it wasn't just atheists that went ballistic.
--
Uncle Vic
I don't recall atheists going ballistic about the mosque. I do know that
many atheists defended the right of Muslims to build a mosque anywhere a
Christian church would be permitted. The first amendment does not permit
the government to favor one religion over another.
Shall not be infringed
2011-07-29 15:24:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jeff M
Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Toni Wu
An atheist group sued today over the inclusion of cross-shaped
steel beams, dubbed the "World Trade Center Cross," at the
National September 11th Memorial and Museum.
You're aware, of course, that the people who died on 9-11 weren't all
Christians.  If they erect a cross, they have to give equal time to
all the other religions involved.  Fair is fair.
This is why religion needs to be kept private.
The 1st Amendment has two religious clauses, the non-establishment
clause and the free exercise clause.  Nothing Constitutional requires
religion "to be kept private," but it is a tough balancing act between
the two prohibitions.
As a Christian, I drew a certain amount of comfort from that cross
during the time I spent working at the WTC site in the immediate
aftermath of the disaster.
Good for you, I'm glad you're covered.  The minority religions aren't,
though, and when the Muslims decided to erect a mosque a few blocks from
ground zero, it wasn't just atheists that went ballistic.
--
Uncle Vic-
There were no atheists going ballistic.

They seem to be good with everything other than Christianity.

But thanks for asking.
Dakota
2011-07-29 18:25:57 UTC
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Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Jeff M
Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Toni Wu
An atheist group sued today over the inclusion of cross-shaped
steel beams, dubbed the "World Trade Center Cross," at the
National September 11th Memorial and Museum.
You're aware, of course, that the people who died on 9-11 weren't all
Christians. If they erect a cross, they have to give equal time to
all the other religions involved. Fair is fair.
This is why religion needs to be kept private.
The 1st Amendment has two religious clauses, the non-establishment
clause and the free exercise clause. Nothing Constitutional requires
religion "to be kept private," but it is a tough balancing act between
the two prohibitions.
As a Christian, I drew a certain amount of comfort from that cross
during the time I spent working at the WTC site in the immediate
aftermath of the disaster.
Good for you, I'm glad you're covered. The minority religions aren't,
though, and when the Muslims decided to erect a mosque a few blocks from
ground zero, it wasn't just atheists that went ballistic.
--
Uncle Vic-
There were no atheists going ballistic.
They seem to be good with everything other than Christianity.
But thanks for asking.
Atheists view all god based religions as absurd but Christianity is the
greater threat in the USA.
Frank Galikanokus
2011-07-29 20:59:15 UTC
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Post by Shall not be infringed
Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Jeff M
Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Toni Wu
An atheist group sued today over the inclusion of cross-shaped
steel beams, dubbed the "World Trade Center Cross," at the
National September 11th Memorial and Museum.
You're aware, of course, that the people who died on 9-11 weren't all
Christians. If they erect a cross, they have to give equal time to
all the other religions involved. Fair is fair.
This is why religion needs to be kept private.
The 1st Amendment has two religious clauses, the non-establishment
clause and the free exercise clause. Nothing Constitutional requires
religion "to be kept private," but it is a tough balancing act between
the two prohibitions.
As a Christian, I drew a certain amount of comfort from that cross
during the time I spent working at the WTC site in the immediate
aftermath of the disaster.
Good for you, I'm glad you're covered. The minority religions aren't,
though, and when the Muslims decided to erect a mosque a few blocks from
ground zero, it wasn't just atheists that went ballistic.
--
Uncle Vic-
There were no atheists going ballistic.
They seem to be good with everything other than Christianity.
But thanks for asking.
Atheists view all god based religions as absurd but Christianity is the
greater threat in the USA.
Amen to that brother.

Christian fundamentalism is the number one threat to freedom in the U.S.

JAM
Jeff M
2011-07-29 21:03:47 UTC
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Post by Dakota
Atheists view all god based religions as absurd but Christianity is the
greater threat in the USA.
Amen to that brother.
Christian fundamentalism is the number one threat to freedom in the U.S.
Do you recognize any difference between "Christianity" and the much
smaller segment of "Christian fundamentalism"?
Frank Galikanokus
2011-07-30 11:56:13 UTC
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Post by Jeff M
[snip]
Post by Frank Galikanokus
Post by Dakota
Atheists view all god based religions as absurd but Christianity is the
greater threat in the USA.
Amen to that brother.
Christian fundamentalism is the number one threat to freedom in the U.S.
Do you recognize any difference between "Christianity" and the much
smaller segment of "Christian fundamentalism"?
Yes.

Just as I recognize the difference between islam and muslim terrorist.

JAM
Jason
2011-07-29 21:52:46 UTC
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Post by Frank Galikanokus
Post by Dakota
Post by Shall not be infringed
Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Jeff M
Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Toni Wu
An atheist group sued today over the inclusion of cross-shaped
steel beams, dubbed the "World Trade Center Cross," at the
National September 11th Memorial and Museum.
You're aware, of course, that the people who died on 9-11 weren't all
Christians. If they erect a cross, they have to give equal time to
all the other religions involved. Fair is fair.
This is why religion needs to be kept private.
The 1st Amendment has two religious clauses, the non-establishment
clause and the free exercise clause. Nothing Constitutional requires
religion "to be kept private," but it is a tough balancing act between
the two prohibitions.
As a Christian, I drew a certain amount of comfort from that cross
during the time I spent working at the WTC site in the immediate
aftermath of the disaster.
Good for you, I'm glad you're covered. The minority religions aren't,
though, and when the Muslims decided to erect a mosque a few blocks from
ground zero, it wasn't just atheists that went ballistic.
--
Uncle Vic-
There were no atheists going ballistic.
They seem to be good with everything other than Christianity.
But thanks for asking.
Atheists view all god based religions as absurd but Christianity is the
greater threat in the USA.
Amen to that brother.
Christian fundamentalism is the number one threat to freedom in the U.S.
JAM
What about Islamic fundamentalism and Radical Muslim Terrorists? Do you
remember what happened on 9-11?
Frank Galikanokus
2011-07-30 11:58:51 UTC
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Post by Frank Galikanokus
Post by Dakota
Post by Shall not be infringed
Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Jeff M
Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Toni Wu
An atheist group sued today over the inclusion of cross-shaped
steel beams, dubbed the "World Trade Center Cross," at the
National September 11th Memorial and Museum.
You're aware, of course, that the people who died on 9-11 weren't all
Christians. If they erect a cross, they have to give equal time to
all the other religions involved. Fair is fair.
This is why religion needs to be kept private.
The 1st Amendment has two religious clauses, the non-establishment
clause and the free exercise clause. Nothing Constitutional requires
religion "to be kept private," but it is a tough balancing act between
the two prohibitions.
As a Christian, I drew a certain amount of comfort from that cross
during the time I spent working at the WTC site in the immediate
aftermath of the disaster.
Good for you, I'm glad you're covered. The minority religions aren't,
though, and when the Muslims decided to erect a mosque a few blocks from
ground zero, it wasn't just atheists that went ballistic.
--
Uncle Vic-
There were no atheists going ballistic.
They seem to be good with everything other than Christianity.
But thanks for asking.
Atheists view all god based religions as absurd but Christianity is the
greater threat in the USA.
Amen to that brother.
Christian fundamentalism is the number one threat to freedom in the U.S.
JAM
What about Islamic fundamentalism and Radical Muslim Terrorists? Do you
remember what happened on 9-11?
They pose the same threat to their society as the christian
fundamentalist do to ours.

All religious fundamentalist are a threat to a free society..

JAM
JohnN
2011-07-30 01:51:42 UTC
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http://my.auburnjournal.com/detail/184235.html
An atheist group sued today over the inclusion of cross-shaped
steel beams, dubbed the "World Trade Center Cross," at the
National September 11th Memorial and Museum.
Last weekend the The 2-ton, 20-foot-high, steel T-joint cross
was given a "ceremonial blessing" by the Rev. Brian Jordan,
removed from it's place at St. Peter's Catholic Church and
lowered 70 feet into the national memorial museum.
But a group identified as American Atheists filed a lawsuit
today claiming a display of the cross-shaped steel beams
promotes Christianity over other religions on public property
and diminishes the civil rights of non-Christians.
"The Christian community found a piece of rubble that looked
like an icon and they deified it. But really 9/11 had nothing to
do with Christianity," said American Atheist president Dave
Silverman.
"It just so happens that the WTC was made out of T-joints, and
they found a T-joint " Silverman noted. "They put it in the
church, kept in the church for years, prayed over it, [and]
blessed it."
The memorial foundation says their T-joint cross is a "symbol of
spiritual comfort for the thousands of recovery workers who
toiled at ground zero," as well as an "authentic physical
reminder" that "tell[s] the story of 9/11 in a way nothing else
can."
The atheist group has requested to display their own memorial
next to the steel cross, possibly in the form of an atom or an
American flag, to represent the "500 non-religious Americans"
who were "among the victims of the 9/11 attack."
A Star of David cut from WTC steel and a Bible fused to a piece
of steel may also be on display with the giant T-joint cross.
But what about the group of 28 responders and workers who died
in the Twin Towers attack who were American Muslims? Can we
expect a 20-foot tall, two ton, star and crescent standing on
display next to the welded Bible and holy T-joint? Not very
likely.
Which raises the question of why bother to make the 9-11 attack
into a contentious religious statement in the first place? Is
that any way to honor our secular national heritage?
The wreckage was originally installed at a church. The proper place to
venerate a steel t-joint. Just put it back on sacred ground and
problem solved.

Now how can I get a piece of the "Piece of the One True Steel WTC
Cross' scam? This racket will be worth hundreds of millions.

JohnN
Bert Hyman
2011-07-30 15:18:35 UTC
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Last weekend the The 2-ton, 20-foot-high, steel T-joint cross
was given a "ceremonial blessing" by the Rev. Brian Jordan,
removed from it's place at St. Peter's Catholic Church and
lowered 70 feet into the national memorial museum.
Why are some Christians so unsure of their faith that they figuratively
run about shouting about it at the top of their lungs everywhere they
go, and feel that they have to mark every spot they walk on as their
own?
--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN ***@iphouse.com
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