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Senaturd Kamala Harris's claim that an 'undocumented immigrant is not a criminal'
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Leroy N. Soetoro
2017-04-29 16:09:02 UTC
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“An undocumented immigrant is not a criminal.”
— Sen. Kamala D. Harris (D-Calif.), tweet, April 21, 2017

“The President’s immigration actions and Muslim ban will make America less
safe. As a prosecutor, I can tell you, it is a serious mistake to conflate
criminal justice policy with immigration policy as if they are the same
thing. They are not. I have personally prosecuted everything from low-
level offenses to homicides. I know what a crime looks like. I will tell
you: an undocumented immigrant is not a criminal. But that’s what these
actions do. They suggest all immigrants are criminals and treat immigrants
like criminals.”

— Harris, maiden speech in response to President Trump’s immigration
executive order, Feb. 16, 2017

This tweet — one of several tweets published during her town hall — caught
our attention, and we were curious about the context in which the junior
senator from California made this claim. It turned out that Harris used
this talking point regularly on the 2016 Senate campaign trail, and she
often made the claim to draw a legal distinction in immigration and
criminal law (as in the Feb. 16 speech).

We took a deeper look at the former California attorney general’s claim.

The Facts

The act of being unlawfully present in the United States is a civil
violation, not a criminal offense. According to her staff, that is what
Harris is referring to when she uses this line.

In 2012, the Supreme Court ruled that “as a general rule, it is not a
crime for a removable alien to remain present in the United States.” The
majority opinion was issued in a lawsuit over a controversial 2010 Arizona
law that required local police to determine the immigration status of
someone who is detained or arrested, if police had a “reasonable
suspicion” that the person was in the country illegally. This was the most
controversial provision that opponents of the law said would open up room
for rampant racial profiling. The Supreme Court upheld this provision but
struck down most others that were challenged.

The undocumented population includes people who improperly entered the
country, those who entered legally but overstayed the terms of their
temporary entry (such as staying beyond the time authorized with a
temporary visa), and those who have “quasi-legal” status, such as people
who are granted deferred action status.

The federal immigration law imposes criminal penalties on some actions
related to undocumented presence, according to the American Civil
Liberties Union, which is a critic of Trump’s recent immigration actions.
Illegally entering the country (for example, illegally crossing the
border), re-entering the country after being removed or falsifying
documents to enter the country are all criminally punishable.

It is unclear exactly how many people within the estimated 11 million
undocumented population entered legally or illegally. Advocates on both
sides use a statistic published in 2006, that about 55 to 60 percent of
the undocumented population entered the country illegally.

Harris specifically uses the word “criminals,” referring to people who
violated criminal law. That further distinguishes between people who are
unlawfully present (and have not been convicted of a crime) and
noncitizens who are charged and convicted of criminal offenses
(immigration or otherwise). The term “criminal aliens” is used for the
latter group of noncitizens.

In summary: If you entered the United States without permission, you would
be subject to criminal penalties, thus labeling you a “criminal” if you’re
convicted. But just the simple act of being in the country without
permission doesn’t make you a “criminal,” because it’s a civil offense.

“If you’re looking at it from the pure legalistic perspective, then she is
right to some extent, that simply being here without legal status is not a
crime. It doesn’t make you a criminal,” said David Bier, immigration
policy expert at the libertarian Cato Institute. “But many undocumented
immigrants have committed criminal violations of immigration law, and
there’s nothing wrong with pointing that out. There’s no discord between
saying that, and that you think that we should provide a pathway to
citizenship, in order to allow them to live here without having to break
the law.”

Opponents of illegal immigration say Harris’s claim is a distinction
without a difference, because you’re still breaking the law — civil or
criminal. David Ray, spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration
Reform, which supports lower levels of legal and illegal immigration,
said: “All illegal aliens have broken the law — that is undisputable.
Unlawful border crossings are criminal offenses: misdemeanor for the first
offense and a felony for repeat offenders. While overstaying a visa is a
civil offense under immigration law, those who do it still break the law
and are subject to removal.”

Harris spokesman Tyrone Gayle said: “Senator Harris was referring to the
fact that this Administration has painted all undocumented immigrants as
criminals, when the reality is the vast majority of undocumented
immigrants here are following the law, contributing to our economy and
society. Labeling people as criminals solely because of their immigration
status is inaccurate, strains the limited resources of local law
enforcement, and makes our communities less safe.”

Harris further explained her point to a Washington Post reporter, who
asked her about her use of this talking point at a March 28 news
conference with immigration advocates:

Reporter: “And to Senator Harris, I want to make sure that I understand
what you said. You said an undocumented immigrant is not a criminal. With
total respect to the stories we just heard, if they crossed the border
illegally or if they overstayed a visa, are they not breaking the law and
thus in violation of the law as criminals? Or are you distinguishing that
and some other [inaudible]?”

Harris: “Two obvious points. It is a civil violation, it’s not a crime.
Period, full stop. And the second point is that there is a whole community
that is being vilified because of this misinformed, misdirected term
‘illegal alien.’ And what is happening is you’re seeing then misguided and
misinformed policies come from that. And it is not only just unfortunate,
it’s irresponsible. It’s irresponsible to paint a whole population of
people as rapists and murderers and ‘bad hombres.’ It’s actually ignorant
and we can’t afford to run our country that way. So they are not
criminals.”

The Pinocchio Test

The act of being in the United States without permission is not a criminal
violation of the law, but a civil infraction. That is what Harris is
referring to when she says “an undocumented immigrant is not a criminal.”
But some undocumented people have violated criminal law in relation to
their immigration status — for example, those who illegally entered the
country or falsified documents.

Harris also uses this phrase to draw a distinction between unauthorized
people who are living in the United States without having committed a
crime, and those who are both unauthorized and have committed a crime (or
“criminal alien”).

We hold politicians to a reasonable-person standard. The technical
distinctions she makes are not immediately clear without additional
context, especially to the layman who doesn’t understand the intricacies
and nuances of criminal and immigration law.

Two Pinocchios
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Gunner Asch
2017-05-06 16:37:30 UTC
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Post by Leroy N. Soetoro
The Pinocchio Test
The act of being in the United States without permission is not a criminal
violation of the law, but a civil infraction. That is what Harris is
referring to when she says “an undocumented immigrant is not a criminal.”
But some undocumented people have violated criminal law in relation to
their immigration status — for example, those who illegally entered the
country or falsified documents.
See Title 8, Section 1325 of the U.S. Code (U.S.C.), or Section 275 of
the Immigration and Nationality Act (I.N.A.) for the exact statutory
language - www.uscis.gov/laws/immigration-and-nationality-act.)
Criminal Penalties

For the first improper entry offense, the person can be fined (as a
criminal penalty), or imprisoned for up to six months, or both. For a
subsequent offense, the person can be fined or imprisoned for up to
two years, or both. (See 8 U.S.C. Section 1325, I.N.A. Section 275.)

But just in case that isn’t enough to deter illegal entrants, a
separate section of the law adds penalties for reentry (or attempted
reentry) in cases where the person had been convicted of certain
types of crimes and thus removed (deported) from the U.S., as
follows:

(1) People removed for a conviction of three or more misdemeanors
involving drugs, crimes against the person, or both, or a felony
(other than an aggravated felony), shall be fined, imprisoned for up
to ten years, or both.

(2) People removed for a conviction of an aggravated felony shall be
fined, imprisoned for up to 20 years, or both.

(3) People who were excluded or removed from the United States for
security reasons shall be fined, and imprisoned for up to ten years,
which sentence shall not run concurrently with any other sentence.

(4) Nonviolent offenders who were removed from the United States
before their prison sentence was up shall be fined, imprisoned for up
to ten years, or both.

What’s more, someone deported before a prison sentence was complete
may be incarcerated for the remainder of the sentence of imprisonment,
without any reduction for parole or supervised release.

(See 8 U.S.C. Section 1326, I.N.A. Section 276.)
Civil Penalties

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Siri Cruise
2017-05-06 18:14:32 UTC
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For the first improper entry offense, the person can be fined (as a
criminal penalty), or imprisoned for up to six months, or both. For a
How often can ICE prove improper entry?
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Scout
2017-05-07 15:14:38 UTC
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Post by Gunner Asch
For the first improper entry offense, the person can be fined (as a
criminal penalty), or imprisoned for up to six months, or both. For a
How often can ICE prove improper entry?
100% of the time. Since all legal entries have a governmental paper trail,
which ICE has access to.
Siri Cruise
2017-05-07 16:01:15 UTC
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Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Gunner Asch
For the first improper entry offense, the person can be fined (as a
criminal penalty), or imprisoned for up to six months, or both. For a
How often can ICE prove improper entry?
100% of the time. Since all legal entries have a governmental paper trail,
which ICE has access to.
Native citizens do not have to a government paper trail (not even a birth
certifcate) after enterring the country whilst exitting their mother, nor do
they have to produce any they have without a court order.

If Ted Cruz's mother had been laying on the border with her head in Canada and
her vagina in North Dakota, would Ted had been native US or Canadian? Or she was
rotated 90 so Ted was born simultaneously in both countries? Enquiring minds
know you're full of shit.
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#BeamMeUpScotty
2017-05-07 16:45:41 UTC
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Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Scout
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Gunner Asch
For the first improper entry offense, the person can be fined (as a
criminal penalty), or imprisoned for up to six months, or both. For a
How often can ICE prove improper entry?
100% of the time. Since all legal entries have a governmental paper trail,
which ICE has access to.
Native citizens do not have to a government paper trail (not even a birth
certifcate) after enterring the country whilst exitting their mother, nor do
they have to produce any they have without a court order.
If Ted Cruz's mother had been laying on the border with her head in Canada and
her vagina in North Dakota, would Ted had been native US or Canadian? Or she was
rotated 90 so Ted was born simultaneously in both countries? Enquiring minds
know you're full of shit.
Making me wonder why Mexican women don't swim to the middle of the river
between Mexico and the U.S. and then claim the baby was born on the
American side of the river. Then they can go home with a time stamped
video and the child can get back into the U.S. and become President any
time before they are 18 years old live here for 15 years and become
President. They might not even speak much English by that time.
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Scout
2017-05-08 00:42:21 UTC
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Post by Scout
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Gunner Asch
For the first improper entry offense, the person can be fined (as a
criminal penalty), or imprisoned for up to six months, or both. For a
How often can ICE prove improper entry?
100% of the time. Since all legal entries have a governmental paper trail,
which ICE has access to.
Native citizens
Native citizens aren't immigrants.

Do try to keep up.
Scout
2017-05-08 00:45:01 UTC
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Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Scout
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Gunner Asch
For the first improper entry offense, the person can be fined (as a
criminal penalty), or imprisoned for up to six months, or both. For a
How often can ICE prove improper entry?
100% of the time. Since all legal entries have a governmental paper trail,
which ICE has access to.
Native citizens
Native citizens aren't immigrants.
Do try to keep up.
Oh, and even citizens now have to pass through customs to legally reenter
the country....which creates a paper trail.
Gunner Asch
2017-05-07 18:35:23 UTC
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Post by Scout
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Gunner Asch
For the first improper entry offense, the person can be fined (as a
criminal penalty), or imprisoned for up to six months, or both. For a
How often can ICE prove improper entry?
100% of the time. Since all legal entries have a governmental paper trail,
which ICE has access to.
Absolutely correct.

You folks should bookmark or at the least..remember...being a wetback
IS committing a crime. Its not an infraction, its not like
jaywalking...its a serious crime. Just the first of many.


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Matt Singer
2017-05-07 19:06:19 UTC
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Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Gunner Asch
For the first improper entry offense, the person can be fined (as a
criminal penalty), or imprisoned for up to six months, or both. For a
How often can ICE prove improper entry?
100% of the time. Since all legal entries have a governmental paper
trail, which ICE has access to.
Is this akin to the paper trail showing that George W. Bush reported for
duty in Alabama and completed his ANG term of service there?
Gunner Asch
2017-05-07 19:22:45 UTC
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Post by Matt Singer
Post by Scout
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Gunner Asch
For the first improper entry offense, the person can be fined (as a
criminal penalty), or imprisoned for up to six months, or both. For a
How often can ICE prove improper entry?
100% of the time. Since all legal entries have a governmental paper
trail, which ICE has access to.
Is this akin to the paper trail showing that George W. Bush reported for
duty in Alabama and completed his ANG term of service there?
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Scout
2017-05-08 00:46:20 UTC
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Post by Scout
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Gunner Asch
For the first improper entry offense, the person can be fined (as a
criminal penalty), or imprisoned for up to six months, or both. For a
How often can ICE prove improper entry?
100% of the time. Since all legal entries have a governmental paper
trail, which ICE has access to.
Is this akin to the paper trail showing that George W. Bush reported for
duty in Alabama and completed his ANG term of service there?
Maybe, but since those files are private, it's going to be a matter between
GWB and the US government. Hence the need of the media to FABRICATE their
'evidence'.
Matt Singer
2017-05-08 01:28:20 UTC
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Post by Scout
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Scout
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Gunner Asch
For the first improper entry offense, the person can be fined (as a
criminal penalty), or imprisoned for up to six months, or both. For a
How often can ICE prove improper entry?
100% of the time. Since all legal entries have a governmental paper
trail, which ICE has access to.
Is this akin to the paper trail showing that George W. Bush reported
for duty in Alabama and completed his ANG term of service there?
Maybe, but since those files are private,
No, they're not. That's the whole point: they're *not* private - or,
they wouldn't be if they existed. As they don't exist, there is no
reason to believe their is a extant paper trail for every alien who
entered through a port of entry. The statement - "Since all legal
entries have a governmental paper trail, which ICE has access to" - is
nonsense.
Gunner Asch
2017-05-08 18:12:08 UTC
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Post by Matt Singer
Post by Scout
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Scout
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Gunner Asch
For the first improper entry offense, the person can be fined (as a
criminal penalty), or imprisoned for up to six months, or both. For a
How often can ICE prove improper entry?
100% of the time. Since all legal entries have a governmental paper
trail, which ICE has access to.
Is this akin to the paper trail showing that George W. Bush reported
for duty in Alabama and completed his ANG term of service there?
Maybe, but since those files are private,
No, they're not. That's the whole point: they're *not* private - or,
they wouldn't be if they existed. As they don't exist, there is no
reason to believe their is a extant paper trail for every alien who
entered through a port of entry. The statement - "Since all legal
entries have a governmental paper trail, which ICE has access to" - is
nonsense.
"Well what difference does it make?"

Afterall...we had a Kenyan born individual fraudulently and illegally
serve 8 yrs as US president, and thats far far worse than GWB possibly
not finishing out his 12 yrs in the Air National Guard. He in fact
did serve with distinction flying that deathtrap F-85 for at least 6
yrs, then moving to another state and serving another 4, documented.

And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted, then lied
about his deferment, volunteered to serve at a later date then bailed
on his promise. This of course ignoring his raping multiple women
while governor and President over the course of 20 yrs in various
offices, and being responsible for at least..at least...42 murders.

Tsk tsk.....you really are reaching hard. Get over it...get used to
the fact you louts lost the last election. You no longer control the
office of the Presidency, nor the Senate, nor the House..you lost the
Whitehouse AND Congress...and you have lost many governorships as well
in the past few years.

Heads up "Matt" (snicker)...your day is done. Its going to be another
30 or more years before you and yours have a chance at controlling the
government. The 2018 midterm elections will remove even more
Democrats from Federal Service..and the carnage in the state
governments will be a glory to behold.

Now..if you want to "revolt" and take back control of the government,
feel free. Just remember what happened to the last batch of Democrats
who tried that..back in 1861. This time..it will be far more than
258,000 Democrat dead. In fact..you let loose the dogs of war...and
within a year, there will be so few living Democrats that they will be
kept in cages at the zoo, simply to show people what they looked like.

So....wanna play?

Keep in mind..your paymaster Soros..will likely be one of the first
casualties to be dozed into a mass grave.

Ready boy?

"Cry Havok, and let loose the dogs of war!"


Gunner

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Siri Cruise
2017-05-08 19:05:32 UTC
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Afterall...we had a Kenyan born individual fraudulently and illegally
serve 8 yrs as US president, and thats far far worse than GWB possibly
Your diminished blood flow is rotting your brain.
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tRudy Crayola
2017-05-09 05:10:21 UTC
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Post by Gunner Asch
Afterall...we had a Kenyan born individual fraudulently and illegally
serve 8 yrs as US president, and thats far far worse than GWB possibly
Your diminished blood flow is rotting your brain.
Pretty much on the mark.. Suggest you check your blood flow to that
thimble that passes for a brain.
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Matt Singer
2017-05-08 19:21:10 UTC
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Post by Matt Singer
Post by Scout
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Scout
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Gunner Asch
For the first improper entry offense, the person can be fined (as a
criminal penalty), or imprisoned for up to six months, or both. For a
How often can ICE prove improper entry?
100% of the time. Since all legal entries have a governmental paper
trail, which ICE has access to.
Is this akin to the paper trail showing that George W. Bush reported
for duty in Alabama and completed his ANG term of service there?
Maybe, but since those files are private,
No, they're not. That's the whole point: they're *not* private - or,
they wouldn't be if they existed. As they don't exist, there is no
reason to believe their is a extant paper trail for every alien who
entered through a port of entry. The statement - "Since all legal
entries have a governmental paper trail, which ICE has access to" - is
nonsense.
"Well what difference does it make?"
Afterall...we had a Kenyan born individual fraudulently and illegally
serve 8 yrs as US president,
Bullshit.
Post by Gunner Asch
And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Post by Gunner Asch
Heads up "Matt" (snicker)...your day is done. Its going to be another
30 or more years before you and yours have a chance at controlling the
government.
More bullshit.
Zinger
2017-05-09 05:16:33 UTC
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And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...Simply did not appear at his duty station. Ran off to
England...Covered by the Communist Senator Fulbright....Didn't get a
Rhodes degree but did get a Russian medal of peace for demonstrating
against America and the Vietnam war. I suppose you will also get some
kind of Communist Medal for being a supporter and fellow traveler?
Say.that is right. Obama was a Marxist and also a fellow traveler.
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Gunner Asch
2017-05-09 06:33:40 UTC
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And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...Simply did not appear at his duty station. Ran off to
England...Covered by the Communist Senator Fulbright....Didn't get a
Rhodes degree but did get a Russian medal of peace for demonstrating
against America and the Vietnam war. I suppose you will also get some
kind of Communist Medal for being a supporter and fellow traveler?
Say.that is right. Obama was a Marxist and also a fellow traveler.
OPINION: Be careful with ‘draft dodger’ label
Carl J. Asszony 12:07 a.m. ET Sept. 10, 2016
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Donald Trump has been accused of being a draft dodger during the
Vietnam War in order to make it appear he is unfit to be the next
Commander-in-Chief.

For those who served during the time the draft existed the term “draft
dodger” brought images of a people betraying their country. One person
who used the term “draft dodger” for Trump said, “I use the term
broadly to mean anyone who took advantage of deferments to avoid the
draft.”

Right or wrong, it was not uncommon for college students to get a
draft deferment while attending college during the Vietnam War. At
that time there were about 15 million men who received deferments,
were exempted, or disqualified for military service. There were over
200,000 men with draft violations.

According to a published copy of an Extract of Registrant
Classification Record from the National Archives, Donald Trump
received a college deferment (2-S) starting July 28, 1964. On July 9,
1968 he was classified available for service (1-A). On October 15,
1968 he was given a physical exam and reclassified, qualified for
service only in case of war (1-Y). On Feb. 1, 1972 he was again
reclassified as not qualified for military service (4-F). These were
legitimate official deferments.

But, there was another young man who used political influence to avoid
the draft. In a letter he wrote on July 30, 1993 to the Commander of
the University of Arkansas ROTC Program, Col. Eugene Holmes, this
young man admitted he avoided the draft “to protect myself from
physical harm because I have worked to prepare myself for a political
life.” He revealed that he deceived Colonel Holmes about wanting to
get into the ROTC and was given a deferment to attend Oxford
University in England.

In his letter he clearly stated that he had “great sympathy with those
who are not willing to fight, kill, and maybe die for their country.”
He further commented that his roommate at Oxford, also a draft
resistor, “is one of the bravest, best men I know. His country needs
more men like him.”

While on foreign soil, this young man became involved in many
demonstrations against U.S. policies in Vietnam. His letter disclosed
he had a “loathing” for the military, adding, “I have written and
spoken and marched against the war” and continued, “I came to believe
that the draft system is illegitimate.” He never got drafted. Years
later this letter writer would become the presidential candidate, Bill
Clinton.

In response to Clinton’s behavior, Col. Holmes, a war hero who endured
and survived the Bataan Death March and was a POW for three years,
wrote a notarized statement stating, “There is the imminent danger to
our country of a draft dodger becoming Commander-in-Chief of the armed
forces of the United States. While it is true there were many others
who avoided serving their country in the Vietnam War, they are not
aspiring to be President of the United States.”

The colonel continued, saying it is “ incomprehensible to me that a
man who was not merely unwilling to serve his country, but actually
protested against its military, should ever be in the position of
Commander-in Chief of our armed forces.” He went on to say “These
actions cause me to question his patriotism and integrity.”

Despite the colonel’s misgivings, Bill Clinton was elected president.
Clinton’s exploits while in office clearly revealed his questionable
integrity. In addition, it was under President Clinton’s watch that
his secretary of defense, Les Aspin, refused to send tanks and armored
equipment to American troops in Mogadishu, Somalia, which had
desperately requested help. That decision resulted in the death of 18
American Rangers, and the wounding of 75 others. It brings to mind
another Clinton and a place called Benghazi.

If we accept the definition of a draft dodger as “anyone who took
advantage of deferments to avoid the draft,” doesn’t that include
President Bill Clinton? It would seem that those who live in glass
houses shouldn’t throw stones.

Carl J. Asszony of Piscataway is a member of the Veterans Advisory
Council at the VA Medical Center, Lyons. ***@gmail.com.

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Matt Singer
2017-05-09 13:49:54 UTC
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And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...Simply did not appear at his duty station. Ran off to
England...Covered by the Communist Senator Fulbright....Didn't get a
Rhodes degree but did get a Russian medal of peace for demonstrating
against America and the Vietnam war. I suppose you will also get some
kind of Communist Medal for being a supporter and fellow traveler?
Say.that is right. Obama was a Marxist and also a fellow traveler.
OPINION: Be careful with ‘draft dodger’ label
Carl J. Asszony 12:07 a.m. ET Sept. 10, 2016
US-VOTE-REPUBLICANS-TRUMP
(Photo: ~File photo)
42 CONNECTTWEETLINKEDIN 2 COMMENTEMAILMORE
Donald Trump has been accused of being a draft dodger during the
Vietnam War in order to make it appear he is unfit to be the next
Commander-in-Chief.
Both are true: he was a draft dodger, and he is unfit to be
commander-in-chief.
Schuman
2017-05-09 15:09:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Zinger
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Gunner Asch
And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...Simply did not appear at his duty station. Ran off to
England...Covered by the Communist Senator Fulbright....Didn't get a
Rhodes degree but did get a Russian medal of peace for demonstrating
against America and the Vietnam war. I suppose you will also get some
kind of Communist Medal for being a supporter and fellow traveler?
Say.that is right. Obama was a Marxist and also a fellow traveler.
OPINION: Be careful with ‘draft dodger’ label
Carl J. Asszony 12:07 a.m. ET Sept. 10, 2016
US-VOTE-REPUBLICANS-TRUMP
(Photo: ~File photo)
42 CONNECTTWEETLINKEDIN 2 COMMENTEMAILMORE
Donald Trump has been accused of being a draft dodger during the
Vietnam War in order to make it appear he is unfit to be the next
Commander-in-Chief.
Both are true: he was a draft dodger, and he is unfit to be
commander-in-chief.
11 years ago, while posting under this current nym, Rudy Canoza, we had a
discussion about a revised marketing claim concerning grass-fed beef from
USDA. You claimed that you had written to and received a reply from
William T.
Sessions, Associate Deputy Administrator, Livestock and Seed Program. Here
below is the post you wrote using the nym Rudy Canoza containing your
correspondence with William Sessions.

[start- Jon to me]
Eat shit and bark at the moon, Dreck - the proposed
standard has NOT been adopted. I wrote to William
Sessions, the associate deputy administrator (how's
that for a title) at the Livestock and Seed Program at
USDA that is in charge of writing the standard for the
"meat marketing claims"; his name, title and e-mail
address are at a web page whose URL I gave yesterday,
http://www.fass.org/fasstrack/news_item.asp?news_id=1152

Here's his reply:

From: "Sessions, William" <***@usda.gov>
To: <jonball@[...]>
Mr. Ball: Thanks for your message. The marketing claim
standards are still under review by USDA. Accordingly, the
standards have not been published in a final form for use. I
hope this information is helpful.
Please let me know if further information is needed.
Thanks,
William T. Sessions
Associate Deputy Administrator
Livestock and Seed Program

-----Original Message-----
From: jonball@[...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:38 AM
To: Sessions, William
Subject: 2003 proposed standards for meat marketing claims

I have read about the proposed standards, and I've seen
many of the public comments sent to USDA. I cannot find
anything to indicate if the standards were adopted.
Were the standards as proposed in 2003 adopted?

Thanks in advance.
Jonathan Ball
Pasadena, CA
___________________________________________________
Jonathan Ball aka Rudy Canoza 08 Sep 2005 http://bit.ly/2cYknsh
[end]

Jonathan Ball. Pasadena, CA. Priceless! That email, posted from Jonathan
Ball,
you, and the return email sent to Jonathan Ball proves beyond all doubt that
you are Jonathan Ball. Of course, you don't live in Pasadena since moving to
5327 Shepard Ave Sacramento, CA 95819-1731

Here's the proof Jonathan D Ball http://bit.ly/1LFy9t8
Post by Matt Singer
and I won't die soon.
Yeah you will. You're an old man who hasn't looked after himself. I wouldn't
go around goading people if I was as small and as puny as you are, liar Jon.
You ought to be very careful.
Post by Matt Singer
You certainly have no means to hasten my death.
Are you really serious, weed? you're just over 5 feet tall and 64 years old.
You'll be 65 on December 2nd. You've got to stop threatening people and
goading them to come after you. You're pathetic.
tRudy Crayola
2017-05-10 04:41:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Zinger
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Gunner Asch
And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...Simply did not appear at his duty station. Ran off to
England...Covered by the Communist Senator Fulbright....Didn't get a
Rhodes degree but did get a Russian medal of peace for demonstrating
against America and the Vietnam war. I suppose you will also get some
kind of Communist Medal for being a supporter and fellow traveler?
Say.that is right. Obama was a Marxist and also a fellow traveler.
OPINION: Be careful with ‘draft dodger’ label
Carl J. Asszony 12:07 a.m. ET Sept. 10, 2016
US-VOTE-REPUBLICANS-TRUMP
(Photo: ~File photo)
42 CONNECTTWEETLINKEDIN 2 COMMENTEMAILMORE
Donald Trump has been accused of being a draft dodger during the
Vietnam War in order to make it appear he is unfit to be the next
Commander-in-Chief.
Both are true: he was a draft dodger, and he is unfit to be
commander-in-chief.
Ummm? What is your military service? Please post it so we can compare it
to President Trumps obvious draft dodging via Deferment. Also would you
please post your Tax returns so when Trumps eventually come public we
all can have a good laugh at your obvious inadequacy in comparison. ;-
--
Rudy's Nut & Fruit farm- Sacramento
Siri Cruise
2017-05-09 20:16:23 UTC
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Post by Gunner Asch
Donald Trump has been accused of being a draft dodger during the
Vietnam War in order to make it appear he is unfit to be the next
Commander-in-Chief.
He meets the Constitutional qualifications and was elected. That makes him fit.
Any soldier that won't obey a legal order from whoever the president currently
is needs to be purged.

I only consider a president's military history when he makes light of sending
young people off to die the way he avoided. On one hand Drumpf was sent to a
reform school dressed up as a military academy, and he thinks that makes him a
military genius. On the other hand he hasn't yet made any large invasion. So far
he has just been a pathetic geezer (sound familar?) excited by military pomp,
but essentially harmless.
Post by Gunner Asch
integrity. In addition, it was under President Clinton’s watch that
his secretary of defense, Les Aspin, refused to send tanks and armored
equipment to American troops in Mogadishu, Somalia, which had
desperately requested help. That decision resulted in the death of 18
Actually it was Bush the Elder that landed Marines in Somalia in December 1992
after consulting with the president elect. In Yugoslavia Clinton kept the Army
out of ground fighting. It was Bush the Dumber that invaded the wrong country
and strutted on the aircraft carrier because of his daddy issues.
--
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted.
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
Free the Amos Yee one.
Yeah, too bad about your so-called life. Ha-ha.
Matt Singer
2017-05-09 13:49:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by Zinger
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Gunner Asch
And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...
Nope - never inducted. He was ordered to report in July 1969, but a few
days before his reporting date he pulled one of his numerous dodges,
this one with the Arkansas ROTC, so the report date became void.

Clinton was never in the military - period.
Schuman
2017-05-09 15:09:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Zinger
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Gunner Asch
And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...
Nope - never inducted. He was ordered to report in July 1969, but a few
days before his reporting date he pulled one of his numerous dodges,
this one with the Arkansas ROTC, so the report date became void.
Clinton was never in the military - period.
11 years ago, while posting under this current nym, Rudy Canoza, we had a
discussion about a revised marketing claim concerning grass-fed beef from
USDA. You claimed that you had written to and received a reply from
William T.
Sessions, Associate Deputy Administrator, Livestock and Seed Program. Here
below is the post you wrote using the nym Rudy Canoza containing your
correspondence with William Sessions.

[start- Jon to me]
Eat shit and bark at the moon, Dreck - the proposed
standard has NOT been adopted. I wrote to William
Sessions, the associate deputy administrator (how's
that for a title) at the Livestock and Seed Program at
USDA that is in charge of writing the standard for the
"meat marketing claims"; his name, title and e-mail
address are at a web page whose URL I gave yesterday,
http://www.fass.org/fasstrack/news_item.asp?news_id=1152

Here's his reply:

From: "Sessions, William" <***@usda.gov>
To: <jonball@[...]>
Mr. Ball: Thanks for your message. The marketing claim
standards are still under review by USDA. Accordingly, the
standards have not been published in a final form for use. I
hope this information is helpful.
Please let me know if further information is needed.
Thanks,
William T. Sessions
Associate Deputy Administrator
Livestock and Seed Program

-----Original Message-----
From: jonball@[...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:38 AM
To: Sessions, William
Subject: 2003 proposed standards for meat marketing claims

I have read about the proposed standards, and I've seen
many of the public comments sent to USDA. I cannot find
anything to indicate if the standards were adopted.
Were the standards as proposed in 2003 adopted?

Thanks in advance.
Jonathan Ball
Pasadena, CA
___________________________________________________
Jonathan Ball aka Rudy Canoza 08 Sep 2005 http://bit.ly/2cYknsh
[end]

Jonathan Ball. Pasadena, CA. Priceless! That email, posted from Jonathan
Ball,
you, and the return email sent to Jonathan Ball proves beyond all doubt that
you are Jonathan Ball. Of course, you don't live in Pasadena since moving to
5327 Shepard Ave Sacramento, CA 95819-1731

Here's the proof Jonathan D Ball http://bit.ly/1LFy9t8
Post by Matt Singer
and I won't die soon.
Yeah you will. You're an old man who hasn't looked after himself. I wouldn't
go around goading people if I was as small and as puny as you are, liar Jon.
You ought to be very careful.
Post by Matt Singer
You certainly have no means to hasten my death.
Are you really serious, weed? you're just over 5 feet tall and 64 years old.
You'll be 65 on December 2nd. You've got to stop threatening people and
goading them to come after you. You're pathetic.
tRudy Crayola
2017-05-10 04:45:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Zinger
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Gunner Asch
And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...
Nope - never inducted. He was ordered to report in July 1969, but a few
days before his reporting date he pulled one of his numerous dodges,
this one with the Arkansas ROTC, so the report date became void.
Clinton was never in the military - period.
Yep...He was/is a DESERTER!!!!
And just where were you when the draft came knocking. I didn't see your
puny ass in the Grass in Nam! Please do post your Heroic record for our
amusement.
--
Rudy's Nut & Fruit farm- Sacramento
#BeamMeUpScotty
2017-05-09 17:42:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Zinger
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Gunner Asch
And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...Simply did not appear at his duty station. Ran off to
England...Covered by the Communist Senator Fulbright....Didn't get a
Rhodes degree but did get a Russian medal of peace for demonstrating
against America and the Vietnam war. I suppose you will also get some
kind of Communist Medal for being a supporter and fellow traveler?
Say.that is right. Obama was a Marxist and also a fellow traveler.
The Democrat party is beginning to come into focus....

When Obama says that's NOT who we are, he's referring to the Capitalist
freedom loving Democrats and Americans that we once were. We're all
comrades now.
--
That's Karma
Wiley E. Coyote
2017-05-10 11:13:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Zinger
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Gunner Asch
And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...Simply did not appear at his duty station. Ran off to
England...Covered by the Communist Senator Fulbright....Didn't get a
Rhodes degree but did get a Russian medal of peace for demonstrating
against America and the Vietnam war. I suppose you will also get some
kind of Communist Medal for being a supporter and fellow traveler?
Say.that is right. Obama was a Marxist and also a fellow traveler.
It is amazing the deliberate and willful ignorance of the left.
--
It's time for the students to step up their game and kill people like
Coulter.

Siri Cruise <***@yahoo.com> April 25, 2017
Siri Cruise
2017-05-10 16:35:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by Wiley E. Coyote
Post by Zinger
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Gunner Asch
And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...Simply did not appear at his duty station. Ran off to
England...Covered by the Communist Senator Fulbright....Didn't get a
Rhodes degree but did get a Russian medal of peace for demonstrating
against America and the Vietnam war. I suppose you will also get some
kind of Communist Medal for being a supporter and fellow traveler?
Say.that is right. Obama was a Marxist and also a fellow traveler.
It is amazing the deliberate and willful ignorance of the left.
In order to be a deserter, he would have to be a soldier, which means he would
have had to taken the soldier's oath. Where's the documentation he took that
oath?

In the US mere conscription does not make you a soldier. You have to agree to it
by taking the oath. You can refuse to take the oath and be convicted, but
convicted as a civillian.
--
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted.
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
Free the Amos Yee one.
Yeah, too bad about your so-called life. Ha-ha.
Just Wondering
2017-05-11 00:37:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Wiley E. Coyote
Post by Zinger
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Gunner Asch
And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...Simply did not appear at his duty station. Ran off to
England...Covered by the Communist Senator Fulbright....Didn't get a
Rhodes degree but did get a Russian medal of peace for demonstrating
against America and the Vietnam war. I suppose you will also get some
kind of Communist Medal for being a supporter and fellow traveler?
Say.that is right. Obama was a Marxist and also a fellow traveler.
It is amazing the deliberate and willful ignorance of the left.
In order to be a deserter, he would have to be a soldier, which means he would
have had to taken the soldier's oath. Where's the documentation he took that
oath?
In the US mere conscription does not make you a soldier. You have to agree
to it by taking the oath. You can refuse to take the oath and be convicted,
but convicted as a civillian.
Agreed. If Slick Willey avoided induction, that would be draft dodging,
but not desertion.
Wiley E. Coyote
2017-05-11 01:31:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by Just Wondering
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Wiley E. Coyote
Post by Zinger
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Gunner Asch
And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...Simply did not appear at his duty station. Ran off to
England...Covered by the Communist Senator Fulbright....Didn't get a
Rhodes degree but did get a Russian medal of peace for demonstrating
against America and the Vietnam war. I suppose you will also get some
kind of Communist Medal for being a supporter and fellow traveler?
Say.that is right. Obama was a Marxist and also a fellow traveler.
It is amazing the deliberate and willful ignorance of the left.
In order to be a deserter, he would have to be a soldier, which means
he would have had to taken the soldier's oath. Where's the
documentation he took that oath?
In the US mere conscription does not make you a soldier. You have to
agree to it by taking the oath. You can refuse to take the oath and be
convicted, but convicted as a civillian.
Agreed. If Slick Willey avoided induction, that would be draft dodging,
but not desertion.
Never said it was desertion.
--
It's time for the students to step up their game and kill people like
Coulter.

Siri Cruise <***@yahoo.com> April 25, 2017
Zinger
2017-05-11 05:48:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by Wiley E. Coyote
Post by Just Wondering
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Wiley E. Coyote
Post by Zinger
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Gunner Asch
And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...Simply did not appear at his duty station. Ran off to
England...Covered by the Communist Senator Fulbright....Didn't get a
Rhodes degree but did get a Russian medal of peace for demonstrating
against America and the Vietnam war. I suppose you will also get some
kind of Communist Medal for being a supporter and fellow traveler?
Say.that is right. Obama was a Marxist and also a fellow traveler.
It is amazing the deliberate and willful ignorance of the left.
In order to be a deserter, he would have to be a soldier, which means
he would have had to taken the soldier's oath. Where's the
documentation he took that oath?
In the US mere conscription does not make you a soldier. You have to
agree to it by taking the oath. You can refuse to take the oath and be
convicted, but convicted as a civillian.
Agreed. If Slick Willey avoided induction, that would be draft dodging,
but not desertion.
Never said it was desertion.
I did! Loud and clear. All this weasel talk for a POS that walked away
and let better men fight and maybe die for.
--
Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to
the security of a free State, the right of the people
to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed
Siri Cruise
2017-05-11 07:21:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Zinger
Post by Wiley E. Coyote
Post by Just Wondering
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Wiley E. Coyote
Post by Zinger
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Gunner Asch
And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...Simply did not appear at his duty station. Ran off to
England...Covered by the Communist Senator Fulbright....Didn't get a
Rhodes degree but did get a Russian medal of peace for demonstrating
against America and the Vietnam war. I suppose you will also get some
kind of Communist Medal for being a supporter and fellow traveler?
Say.that is right. Obama was a Marxist and also a fellow traveler.
It is amazing the deliberate and willful ignorance of the left.
In order to be a deserter, he would have to be a soldier, which means
he would have had to taken the soldier's oath. Where's the
documentation he took that oath?
In the US mere conscription does not make you a soldier. You have to
agree to it by taking the oath. You can refuse to take the oath and be
convicted, but convicted as a civillian.
Agreed. If Slick Willey avoided induction, that would be draft dodging,
but not desertion.
Never said it was desertion.
I did! Loud and clear. All this weasel talk for a POS that walked away
and let better men fight and maybe die for.
Unlike Republicans like Drumpf, Bush. Cheney. Quayle. Do you agree with
Republicans that McCain is a Loser because he was a prisoner?
--
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted.
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
Free the Amos Yee one.
Yeah, too bad about your so-called life. Ha-ha.
PaxPerPoten
2017-05-11 07:47:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Zinger
Post by Wiley E. Coyote
Post by Just Wondering
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Wiley E. Coyote
Post by Zinger
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Gunner Asch
And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...Simply did not appear at his duty station. Ran off to
England...Covered by the Communist Senator Fulbright....Didn't get a
Rhodes degree but did get a Russian medal of peace for demonstrating
against America and the Vietnam war. I suppose you will also get some
kind of Communist Medal for being a supporter and fellow traveler?
Say.that is right. Obama was a Marxist and also a fellow traveler.
It is amazing the deliberate and willful ignorance of the left.
In order to be a deserter, he would have to be a soldier, which means
he would have had to taken the soldier's oath. Where's the
documentation he took that oath?
In the US mere conscription does not make you a soldier. You have to
agree to it by taking the oath. You can refuse to take the oath and be
convicted, but convicted as a civillian.
Agreed. If Slick Willey avoided induction, that would be draft dodging,
but not desertion.
Never said it was desertion.
I did! Loud and clear. All this weasel talk for a POS that walked away
and let better men fight and maybe die for.
Unlike Republicans like Drumpf, Bush. Cheney. Quayle. Do you agree with
Republicans that McCain is a Loser because he was a prisoner?
McCain has always been a loser. 3rd from the bottom of his Annapolis
class. He didn't have the grades to be there but Pappy and GrandPappy
were admirals. Being a born loser has nothing to do with Prisoner of war
status. Maybe you should seek the real story about the USS Forestal fire
and not the bullshit the bigwigs made up save McCains ass.
--
It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard
the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all
ages who mean to govern well, but *They mean to govern*. They promise to
be good masters, *but they mean to be masters*. Daniel Webster
Clave
2017-05-11 14:10:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by PaxPerPoten
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Zinger
Post by Wiley E. Coyote
Post by Just Wondering
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Wiley E. Coyote
Post by Zinger
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Gunner Asch
And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...Simply did not appear at his duty station. Ran off to
England...Covered by the Communist Senator Fulbright....Didn't get a
Rhodes degree but did get a Russian medal of peace for
demonstrating
against America and the Vietnam war. I suppose you will also get some
kind of Communist Medal for being a supporter and fellow traveler?
Say.that is right. Obama was a Marxist and also a fellow traveler.
It is amazing the deliberate and willful ignorance of the left.
In order to be a deserter, he would have to be a soldier, which means
he would have had to taken the soldier's oath. Where's the
documentation he took that oath?
In the US mere conscription does not make you a soldier. You have to
agree to it by taking the oath. You can refuse to take the oath and be
convicted, but convicted as a civillian.
Agreed. If Slick Willey avoided induction, that would be draft dodging,
but not desertion.
Never said it was desertion.
I did! Loud and clear. All this weasel talk for a POS that walked away
and let better men fight and maybe die for.
Unlike Republicans like Drumpf, Bush. Cheney. Quayle. Do you agree with
Republicans that McCain is a Loser because he was a prisoner?
McCain has always been a loser. 3rd from the bottom of his Annapolis
class. He didn't have the grades to be there but Pappy and GrandPappy
were admirals. Being a born loser has nothing to do with Prisoner of war
status. Maybe you should seek the real story about the USS Forestal fire
LOL! Uh...yeah, whatever...
Wiley E. Coyote
2017-05-11 11:10:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Zinger
Post by Wiley E. Coyote
Post by Just Wondering
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Wiley E. Coyote
Post by Zinger
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Gunner Asch
And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...Simply did not appear at his duty station. Ran off
to England...Covered by the Communist Senator Fulbright....Didn't
get a Rhodes degree but did get a Russian medal of peace for
demonstrating against America and the Vietnam war. I suppose you
will also get some kind of Communist Medal for being a supporter
and fellow traveler? Say.that is right. Obama was a Marxist and
also a fellow traveler.
It is amazing the deliberate and willful ignorance of the left.
In order to be a deserter, he would have to be a soldier, which
means he would have had to taken the soldier's oath. Where's the
documentation he took that oath?
In the US mere conscription does not make you a soldier. You have
to agree to it by taking the oath. You can refuse to take the oath
and be convicted, but convicted as a civillian.
Agreed. If Slick Willey avoided induction, that would be draft
dodging, but not desertion.
Never said it was desertion.
I did! Loud and clear. All this weasel talk for a POS that walked away
and let better men fight and maybe die for.
Unlike Republicans like Drumpf, Bush. Cheney. Quayle. Do you agree with
Republicans that McCain is a Loser because he was a prisoner?
I think you're a pathetic loser. Just because.
--
It's time for the students to step up their game and kill people like
Coulter.

Siri Cruise <***@yahoo.com> April 25, 2017
Wiley E. Coyote
2017-05-11 11:10:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Zinger
Post by Wiley E. Coyote
Post by Just Wondering
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Wiley E. Coyote
Post by Zinger
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Gunner Asch
And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...Simply did not appear at his duty station. Ran off to
England...Covered by the Communist Senator Fulbright....Didn't get a
Rhodes degree but did get a Russian medal of peace for demonstrating
against America and the Vietnam war. I suppose you will also get some
kind of Communist Medal for being a supporter and fellow traveler?
Say.that is right. Obama was a Marxist and also a fellow traveler.
It is amazing the deliberate and willful ignorance of the left.
In order to be a deserter, he would have to be a soldier, which means
he would have had to taken the soldier's oath. Where's the
documentation he took that oath?
In the US mere conscription does not make you a soldier. You have to
agree to it by taking the oath. You can refuse to take the oath and be
convicted, but convicted as a civillian.
Agreed. If Slick Willey avoided induction, that would be draft dodging,
but not desertion.
Never said it was desertion.
I did! Loud and clear. All this weasel talk for a POS that walked away
and let better men fight and maybe die for.
Words have specific meanings. Psrticularly in a legal context. BC is a
liar, a draft dodger and a rapist. But he is not a deserter.
--
It's time for the students to step up their game and kill people like
Coulter.

Siri Cruise <***@yahoo.com> April 25, 2017
Matt Singer
2017-05-11 13:56:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Zinger
Post by Wiley E. Coyote
Post by Just Wondering
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Wiley E. Coyote
Post by Zinger
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Gunner Asch
And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...Simply did not appear at his duty station. Ran off to
England...Covered by the Communist Senator Fulbright....Didn't get a
Rhodes degree but did get a Russian medal of peace for demonstrating
against America and the Vietnam war. I suppose you will also get some
kind of Communist Medal for being a supporter and fellow traveler?
Say.that is right. Obama was a Marxist and also a fellow traveler.
It is amazing the deliberate and willful ignorance of the left.
In order to be a deserter, he would have to be a soldier, which means
he would have had to taken the soldier's oath. Where's the
documentation he took that oath?
In the US mere conscription does not make you a soldier. You have to
agree to it by taking the oath. You can refuse to take the oath and be
convicted, but convicted as a civillian.
Agreed. If Slick Willey avoided induction, that would be draft dodging,
but not desertion.
Never said it was desertion.
I did! Loud and clear.
You're wrong, of course. He was never in the military, so by definition
cannot be a deserter.
Schuman
2017-05-11 21:02:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Zinger
Post by Wiley E. Coyote
Post by Just Wondering
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Wiley E. Coyote
Post by Zinger
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Gunner Asch
And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...Simply did not appear at his duty station. Ran off to
England...Covered by the Communist Senator Fulbright....Didn't get a
Rhodes degree but did get a Russian medal of peace for demonstrating
against America and the Vietnam war. I suppose you will also get some
kind of Communist Medal for being a supporter and fellow traveler?
Say.that is right. Obama was a Marxist and also a fellow traveler.
It is amazing the deliberate and willful ignorance of the left.
In order to be a deserter, he would have to be a soldier, which means
he would have had to taken the soldier's oath. Where's the
documentation he took that oath?
In the US mere conscription does not make you a soldier. You have to
agree to it by taking the oath. You can refuse to take the oath and be
convicted, but convicted as a civillian.
Agreed. If Slick Willey avoided induction, that would be draft dodging,
but not desertion.
Never said it was desertion.
I did! Loud and clear.
You're wrong, of course. He was never in the military, so by definition
cannot be a deserter.
11 years ago, while posting under this current nym, Rudy Canoza, we had a
discussion about a revised marketing claim concerning grass-fed beef from
USDA. You claimed that you had written to and received a reply from
William T.
Sessions, Associate Deputy Administrator, Livestock and Seed Program. Here
below is the post you wrote using the nym Rudy Canoza containing your
correspondence with William Sessions.

[start- Jon to me]
Eat shit and bark at the moon, Dreck - the proposed
standard has NOT been adopted. I wrote to William
Sessions, the associate deputy administrator (how's
that for a title) at the Livestock and Seed Program at
USDA that is in charge of writing the standard for the
"meat marketing claims"; his name, title and e-mail
address are at a web page whose URL I gave yesterday,
http://www.fass.org/fasstrack/news_item.asp?news_id=1152

Here's his reply:

From: "Sessions, William" <***@usda.gov>
To: <jonball@[...]>
Mr. Ball: Thanks for your message. The marketing claim
standards are still under review by USDA. Accordingly, the
standards have not been published in a final form for use. I
hope this information is helpful.
Please let me know if further information is needed.
Thanks,
William T. Sessions
Associate Deputy Administrator
Livestock and Seed Program

-----Original Message-----
From: jonball@[...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:38 AM
To: Sessions, William
Subject: 2003 proposed standards for meat marketing claims

I have read about the proposed standards, and I've seen
many of the public comments sent to USDA. I cannot find
anything to indicate if the standards were adopted.
Were the standards as proposed in 2003 adopted?

Thanks in advance.
Jonathan Ball
Pasadena, CA
___________________________________________________
Jonathan Ball aka Rudy Canoza 08 Sep 2005 http://bit.ly/2cYknsh
[end]

Jonathan Ball. Pasadena, CA. Priceless! That email, posted from Jonathan
Ball,
you, and the return email sent to Jonathan Ball proves beyond all doubt that
you are Jonathan Ball. Of course, you don't live in Pasadena since moving to
5327 Shepard Ave Sacramento, CA 95819-1731

Here's the proof Jonathan D Ball http://bit.ly/1LFy9t8
Post by Matt Singer
and I won't die soon.
Yeah you will. You're an old man who hasn't looked after himself. I wouldn't
go around goading people if I was as small and as puny as you are, liar Jon.
You ought to be very careful.
Post by Matt Singer
You certainly have no means to hasten my death.
Are you really serious, weed? you're just over 5 feet tall and 64 years old.
You'll be 65 on December 2nd. You've got to stop threatening people and
goading them to come after you. You're pathetic.
Siri Cruise
2017-05-11 01:43:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by Just Wondering
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Wiley E. Coyote
Post by Zinger
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Gunner Asch
And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...Simply did not appear at his duty station. Ran off to
England...Covered by the Communist Senator Fulbright....Didn't get a
Rhodes degree but did get a Russian medal of peace for demonstrating
against America and the Vietnam war. I suppose you will also get some
kind of Communist Medal for being a supporter and fellow traveler?
Say.that is right. Obama was a Marxist and also a fellow traveler.
It is amazing the deliberate and willful ignorance of the left.
In order to be a deserter, he would have to be a soldier, which means he would
have had to taken the soldier's oath. Where's the documentation he took that
oath?
In the US mere conscription does not make you a soldier. You have to agree
to it by taking the oath. You can refuse to take the oath and be convicted,
but convicted as a civillian.
Agreed. If Slick Willey avoided induction, that would be draft dodging,
but not desertion.
And if a draft dodger he was coverred by Carter's blanket pardon. Legal case
over.
--
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted.
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
Free the Amos Yee one.
Yeah, too bad about your so-called life. Ha-ha.
Wiley E. Coyote
2017-05-11 01:42:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Just Wondering
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Wiley E. Coyote
Post by Zinger
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Gunner Asch
And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...Simply did not appear at his duty station. Ran off to
England...Covered by the Communist Senator Fulbright....Didn't get
a Rhodes degree but did get a Russian medal of peace for
demonstrating against America and the Vietnam war. I suppose you
will also get some kind of Communist Medal for being a supporter
and fellow traveler? Say.that is right. Obama was a Marxist and
also a fellow traveler.
It is amazing the deliberate and willful ignorance of the left.
In order to be a deserter, he would have to be a soldier, which means he would
have had to taken the soldier's oath. Where's the documentation he took that
oath?
In the US mere conscription does not make you a soldier. You have to
agree to it by taking the oath. You can refuse to take the oath and
be convicted, but convicted as a civillian.
Agreed. If Slick Willey avoided induction, that would be draft
dodging, but not desertion.
And if a draft dodger he was coverred by Carter's blanket pardon. Legal
case over.
He was covered by Carter's pardon, not mine.

But he's a raping scumbag anyway and he should be killed slowly.
--
It's time for the students to step up their game and kill people like
Coulter.

Siri Cruise <***@yahoo.com> April 25, 2017
PaxPerPoten
2017-05-11 05:46:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Just Wondering
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Wiley E. Coyote
Post by Zinger
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Gunner Asch
And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...Simply did not appear at his duty station. Ran off to
England...Covered by the Communist Senator Fulbright....Didn't get a
Rhodes degree but did get a Russian medal of peace for demonstrating
against America and the Vietnam war. I suppose you will also get some
kind of Communist Medal for being a supporter and fellow traveler?
Say.that is right. Obama was a Marxist and also a fellow traveler.
It is amazing the deliberate and willful ignorance of the left.
In order to be a deserter, he would have to be a soldier, which means he would
have had to taken the soldier's oath. Where's the documentation he took that
oath?
In the US mere conscription does not make you a soldier. You have to agree
to it by taking the oath. You can refuse to take the oath and be convicted,
but convicted as a civillian.
Agreed. If Slick Willey avoided induction, that would be draft dodging,
but not desertion.
Nope...He had orders to report...He ran for the border...That is
desertion and any SOB that says otherwise dishonors those that did serve.

Billy-Bob Klinton should be in Leavenworth servicing big Bubba!
--
It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard
the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all
ages who mean to govern well, but *They mean to govern*. They promise to
be good masters, *but they mean to be masters*. Daniel Webster
Just Wondering
2017-05-11 07:22:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by PaxPerPoten
Post by Just Wondering
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Wiley E. Coyote
Post by Zinger
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Gunner Asch
And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...Simply did not appear at his duty station. Ran off to
England...Covered by the Communist Senator Fulbright....Didn't get a
Rhodes degree but did get a Russian medal of peace for demonstrating
against America and the Vietnam war. I suppose you will also get some
kind of Communist Medal for being a supporter and fellow traveler?
Say.that is right. Obama was a Marxist and also a fellow traveler.
It is amazing the deliberate and willful ignorance of the left.
In order to be a deserter, he would have to be a soldier, which means he would
have had to taken the soldier's oath. Where's the documentation he took that
oath?
In the US mere conscription does not make you a soldier. You have to agree
to it by taking the oath. You can refuse to take the oath and be convicted,
but convicted as a civillian.
Agreed. If Slick Willey avoided induction, that would be draft dodging,
but not desertion.
Nope...He had orders to report...He ran for the border...That is
desertion and any SOB that says otherwise dishonors those that did serve.
http://englishdictionary.education/en/draft-dodger
"Draft evasion is an intentional decision not to comply with the
military conscription policies of one's nation. Such practices that do
not involve law breaking or which are based on conscientious objection
are sometimes referred to as "draft avoidance." Refusing to submit to
the draft is considered a criminal offense in most countries where
conscription is in effect. Those who practice draft evasion are
sometimes pejoratively referred to as "draft dodgers," a term which was
made popular during the Vietnam War. Draft evasion is distinct from
desertion in that only an active member of a military service can become
a deserter by absenting himself or herself from the army without
receiving a valid leave of absence or discharge and without any
intention of returning to the army."
Wiley E. Coyote
2017-05-11 11:22:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by Just Wondering
Post by PaxPerPoten
Post by Just Wondering
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Wiley E. Coyote
Post by Zinger
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Gunner Asch
And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...Simply did not appear at his duty station. Ran off to
England...Covered by the Communist Senator Fulbright....Didn't get a
Rhodes degree but did get a Russian medal of peace for demonstrating
against America and the Vietnam war. I suppose you will also get some
kind of Communist Medal for being a supporter and fellow traveler?
Say.that is right. Obama was a Marxist and also a fellow traveler.
It is amazing the deliberate and willful ignorance of the left.
In order to be a deserter, he would have to be a soldier, which means he would
have had to taken the soldier's oath. Where's the documentation he took that
oath?
In the US mere conscription does not make you a soldier. You have to agree
to it by taking the oath. You can refuse to take the oath and be convicted,
but convicted as a civillian.
Agreed. If Slick Willey avoided induction, that would be draft dodging,
but not desertion.
Nope...He had orders to report...He ran for the border...That is
desertion and any SOB that says otherwise dishonors those that did serve.
http://englishdictionary.education/en/draft-dodger
"Draft evasion is an intentional decision not to comply with the
military conscription policies of one's nation. Such practices that do
not involve law breaking or which are based on conscientious objection
are sometimes referred to as "draft avoidance." Refusing to submit to
the draft is considered a criminal offense in most countries where
conscription is in effect. Those who practice draft evasion are
sometimes pejoratively referred to as "draft dodgers," a term which was
made popular during the Vietnam War. Draft evasion is distinct from
desertion in that only an active member of a military service can become
a deserter by absenting himself or herself from the army without
receiving a valid leave of absence or discharge and without any
intention of returning to the army."
I think Zinger is saying that since Blowjob had signed I beleive an
enlistment paper to put off the draft and then did not show up to meet that
obligation that he sees that as desertion. I certainly understand his
emotions on this but your defintion is what most people understand. Blowjob
is a scumbag draft dodger, but not a deserter.
--
It's time for the students to step up their game and kill people like
Coulter.

Siri Cruise <***@yahoo.com> April 25, 2017
Matt Singer
2017-05-11 14:05:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Just Wondering
Post by PaxPerPoten
Post by Just Wondering
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Wiley E. Coyote
Post by Zinger
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Gunner Asch
And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...Simply did not appear at his duty station. Ran off to
England...Covered by the Communist Senator Fulbright....Didn't get a
Rhodes degree but did get a Russian medal of peace for demonstrating
against America and the Vietnam war. I suppose you will also get some
kind of Communist Medal for being a supporter and fellow traveler?
Say.that is right. Obama was a Marxist and also a fellow traveler.
It is amazing the deliberate and willful ignorance of the left.
In order to be a deserter, he would have to be a soldier, which means he would
have had to taken the soldier's oath. Where's the documentation he took that
oath?
In the US mere conscription does not make you a soldier. You have to agree
to it by taking the oath. You can refuse to take the oath and be convicted,
but convicted as a civillian.
Agreed. If Slick Willey avoided induction, that would be draft dodging,
but not desertion.
Nope...He had orders to report...He ran for the border...That is
desertion and any SOB that says otherwise dishonors those that did serve.
http://englishdictionary.education/en/draft-dodger
"Draft evasion is an intentional decision not to comply with the
military conscription policies of one's nation. Such practices that do
not involve law breaking or which are based on conscientious objection
are sometimes referred to as "draft avoidance." Refusing to submit to
the draft is considered a criminal offense in most countries where
conscription is in effect. Those who practice draft evasion are
sometimes pejoratively referred to as "draft dodgers," a term which was
made popular during the Vietnam War. Draft evasion is distinct from
desertion in that only an active member of a military service can become
a deserter by absenting himself or herself from the army without
receiving a valid leave of absence or discharge and without any
intention of returning to the army."
Clinton was never in the military. He is not a deserter by definition.
Schuman
2017-05-11 21:02:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Just Wondering
Post by PaxPerPoten
Post by Just Wondering
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Wiley E. Coyote
Post by Zinger
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Gunner Asch
And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...Simply did not appear at his duty station. Ran off to
England...Covered by the Communist Senator Fulbright....Didn't get a
Rhodes degree but did get a Russian medal of peace for demonstrating
against America and the Vietnam war. I suppose you will also get some
kind of Communist Medal for being a supporter and fellow traveler?
Say.that is right. Obama was a Marxist and also a fellow traveler.
It is amazing the deliberate and willful ignorance of the left.
In order to be a deserter, he would have to be a soldier, which means he would
have had to taken the soldier's oath. Where's the documentation he took that
oath?
In the US mere conscription does not make you a soldier. You have to agree
to it by taking the oath. You can refuse to take the oath and be convicted,
but convicted as a civillian.
Agreed. If Slick Willey avoided induction, that would be draft dodging,
but not desertion.
Nope...He had orders to report...He ran for the border...That is
desertion and any SOB that says otherwise dishonors those that did serve.
http://englishdictionary.education/en/draft-dodger
"Draft evasion is an intentional decision not to comply with the
military conscription policies of one's nation. Such practices that do
not involve law breaking or which are based on conscientious objection
are sometimes referred to as "draft avoidance." Refusing to submit to
the draft is considered a criminal offense in most countries where
conscription is in effect. Those who practice draft evasion are
sometimes pejoratively referred to as "draft dodgers," a term which was
made popular during the Vietnam War. Draft evasion is distinct from
desertion in that only an active member of a military service can become
a deserter by absenting himself or herself from the army without
receiving a valid leave of absence or discharge and without any
intention of returning to the army."
Clinton was never in the military. He is not a deserter by definition.
11 years ago, while posting under this current nym, Rudy Canoza, we had a
discussion about a revised marketing claim concerning grass-fed beef from
USDA. You claimed that you had written to and received a reply from
William T.
Sessions, Associate Deputy Administrator, Livestock and Seed Program. Here
below is the post you wrote using the nym Rudy Canoza containing your
correspondence with William Sessions.

[start- Jon to me]
Eat shit and bark at the moon, Dreck - the proposed
standard has NOT been adopted. I wrote to William
Sessions, the associate deputy administrator (how's
that for a title) at the Livestock and Seed Program at
USDA that is in charge of writing the standard for the
"meat marketing claims"; his name, title and e-mail
address are at a web page whose URL I gave yesterday,
http://www.fass.org/fasstrack/news_item.asp?news_id=1152

Here's his reply:

From: "Sessions, William" <***@usda.gov>
To: <jonball@[...]>
Mr. Ball: Thanks for your message. The marketing claim
standards are still under review by USDA. Accordingly, the
standards have not been published in a final form for use. I
hope this information is helpful.
Please let me know if further information is needed.
Thanks,
William T. Sessions
Associate Deputy Administrator
Livestock and Seed Program

-----Original Message-----
From: jonball@[...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:38 AM
To: Sessions, William
Subject: 2003 proposed standards for meat marketing claims

I have read about the proposed standards, and I've seen
many of the public comments sent to USDA. I cannot find
anything to indicate if the standards were adopted.
Were the standards as proposed in 2003 adopted?

Thanks in advance.
Jonathan Ball
Pasadena, CA
___________________________________________________
Jonathan Ball aka Rudy Canoza 08 Sep 2005 http://bit.ly/2cYknsh
[end]

Jonathan Ball. Pasadena, CA. Priceless! That email, posted from Jonathan
Ball,
you, and the return email sent to Jonathan Ball proves beyond all doubt that
you are Jonathan Ball. Of course, you don't live in Pasadena since moving to
5327 Shepard Ave Sacramento, CA 95819-1731

Here's the proof Jonathan D Ball http://bit.ly/1LFy9t8
Post by Matt Singer
and I won't die soon.
Yeah you will. You're an old man who hasn't looked after himself. I wouldn't
go around goading people if I was as small and as puny as you are, liar Jon.
You ought to be very careful.
Post by Matt Singer
You certainly have no means to hasten my death.
Are you really serious, weed? you're just over 5 feet tall and 64 years old.
You'll be 65 on December 2nd. You've got to stop threatening people and
goading them to come after you. You're pathetic.
Matt Singer
2017-05-11 13:55:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by PaxPerPoten
Post by Just Wondering
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Wiley E. Coyote
Post by Zinger
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Gunner Asch
And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...Simply did not appear at his duty station. Ran off to
England...Covered by the Communist Senator Fulbright....Didn't get a
Rhodes degree but did get a Russian medal of peace for demonstrating
against America and the Vietnam war. I suppose you will also get some
kind of Communist Medal for being a supporter and fellow traveler?
Say.that is right. Obama was a Marxist and also a fellow traveler.
It is amazing the deliberate and willful ignorance of the left.
In order to be a deserter, he would have to be a soldier, which means he would
have had to taken the soldier's oath. Where's the documentation he took that
oath?
In the US mere conscription does not make you a soldier. You have to agree
to it by taking the oath. You can refuse to take the oath and be convicted,
but convicted as a civillian.
Agreed. If Slick Willey avoided induction, that would be draft dodging,
but not desertion.
Nope...He had orders to report
Which were lifted when he agreed to join ROTC.
#BeamMeUpScotty
2017-05-11 16:29:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Matt Singer
Post by PaxPerPoten
Post by Just Wondering
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Wiley E. Coyote
Post by Zinger
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Gunner Asch
And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...Simply did not appear at his duty station. Ran off to
England...Covered by the Communist Senator Fulbright....Didn't get a
Rhodes degree but did get a Russian medal of peace for demonstrating
against America and the Vietnam war. I suppose you will also get some
kind of Communist Medal for being a supporter and fellow traveler?
Say.that is right. Obama was a Marxist and also a fellow traveler.
It is amazing the deliberate and willful ignorance of the left.
In order to be a deserter, he would have to be a soldier, which means he would
have had to taken the soldier's oath. Where's the documentation he took that
oath?
In the US mere conscription does not make you a soldier. You have to agree
to it by taking the oath. You can refuse to take the oath and be convicted,
but convicted as a civillian.
Agreed. If Slick Willey avoided induction, that would be draft dodging,
but not desertion.
Nope...He had orders to report
Which were lifted when he agreed to join ROTC.
So then you can negotiate your service, yet my father was drafted and
showed up where and when he was required and then he asked to transfer
to the branch of service he wanted to be in.... Being as he was a pilot
they managed to see the wisdom of the transfer.
--
That's Karma
Schuman
2017-05-11 21:02:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by Matt Singer
Post by PaxPerPoten
Post by Just Wondering
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Wiley E. Coyote
Post by Zinger
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Gunner Asch
And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...Simply did not appear at his duty station. Ran off to
England...Covered by the Communist Senator Fulbright....Didn't get a
Rhodes degree but did get a Russian medal of peace for demonstrating
against America and the Vietnam war. I suppose you will also get some
kind of Communist Medal for being a supporter and fellow traveler?
Say.that is right. Obama was a Marxist and also a fellow traveler.
It is amazing the deliberate and willful ignorance of the left.
In order to be a deserter, he would have to be a soldier, which means he would
have had to taken the soldier's oath. Where's the documentation he took that
oath?
In the US mere conscription does not make you a soldier. You have to agree
to it by taking the oath. You can refuse to take the oath and be convicted,
but convicted as a civillian.
Agreed. If Slick Willey avoided induction, that would be draft dodging,
but not desertion.
Nope...He had orders to report
Which were lifted when he agreed to join ROTC.
11 years ago, while posting under this current nym, Rudy Canoza, we had a
discussion about a revised marketing claim concerning grass-fed beef from
USDA. You claimed that you had written to and received a reply from
William T.
Sessions, Associate Deputy Administrator, Livestock and Seed Program. Here
below is the post you wrote using the nym Rudy Canoza containing your
correspondence with William Sessions.

[start- Jon to me]
Eat shit and bark at the moon, Dreck - the proposed
standard has NOT been adopted. I wrote to William
Sessions, the associate deputy administrator (how's
that for a title) at the Livestock and Seed Program at
USDA that is in charge of writing the standard for the
"meat marketing claims"; his name, title and e-mail
address are at a web page whose URL I gave yesterday,
http://www.fass.org/fasstrack/news_item.asp?news_id=1152

Here's his reply:

From: "Sessions, William" <***@usda.gov>
To: <jonball@[...]>
Mr. Ball: Thanks for your message. The marketing claim
standards are still under review by USDA. Accordingly, the
standards have not been published in a final form for use. I
hope this information is helpful.
Please let me know if further information is needed.
Thanks,
William T. Sessions
Associate Deputy Administrator
Livestock and Seed Program

-----Original Message-----
From: jonball@[...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:38 AM
To: Sessions, William
Subject: 2003 proposed standards for meat marketing claims

I have read about the proposed standards, and I've seen
many of the public comments sent to USDA. I cannot find
anything to indicate if the standards were adopted.
Were the standards as proposed in 2003 adopted?

Thanks in advance.
Jonathan Ball
Pasadena, CA
___________________________________________________
Jonathan Ball aka Rudy Canoza 08 Sep 2005 http://bit.ly/2cYknsh
[end]

Jonathan Ball. Pasadena, CA. Priceless! That email, posted from Jonathan
Ball,
you, and the return email sent to Jonathan Ball proves beyond all doubt that
you are Jonathan Ball. Of course, you don't live in Pasadena since moving to
5327 Shepard Ave Sacramento, CA 95819-1731

Here's the proof Jonathan D Ball http://bit.ly/1LFy9t8
Post by Matt Singer
and I won't die soon.
Yeah you will. You're an old man who hasn't looked after himself. I wouldn't
go around goading people if I was as small and as puny as you are, liar Jon.
You ought to be very careful.
Post by Matt Singer
You certainly have no means to hasten my death.
Are you really serious, weed? you're just over 5 feet tall and 64 years old.
You'll be 65 on December 2nd. You've got to stop threatening people and
goading them to come after you. You're pathetic.
Zinger
2017-05-11 05:43:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Wiley E. Coyote
Post by Zinger
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Gunner Asch
And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...Simply did not appear at his duty station. Ran off to
England...Covered by the Communist Senator Fulbright....Didn't get a
Rhodes degree but did get a Russian medal of peace for demonstrating
against America and the Vietnam war. I suppose you will also get some
kind of Communist Medal for being a supporter and fellow traveler?
Say.that is right. Obama was a Marxist and also a fellow traveler.
It is amazing the deliberate and willful ignorance of the left.
In order to be a deserter, he would have to be a soldier, which means he would
have had to taken the soldier's oath. Where's the documentation he took that
oath?
In the US mere conscription does not make you a soldier. You have to agree to it
by taking the oath. You can refuse to take the oath and be convicted, but
convicted as a civillian.
That is incorrect as is usual for you. No oath is mandatory, but is
expected as ritual. There were many inductees in WWII and Korea...Maybe
even further along that refused to take an oath for personal or
religious reasons. Yet ..they served and did so valiantly with many
still buried in military graveyards overseas. Refuse to take an oath
means nothing...Refuse to serve when inducted..That is Desertion. Maybe
you should read the UCMJ for clarification. Or maybe you should honor us
by going away and not coming back.
--
Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to
the security of a free State, the right of the people
to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed
Matt Singer
2017-05-11 13:54:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by Zinger
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Wiley E. Coyote
Post by Zinger
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Gunner Asch
And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...Simply did not appear at his duty station. Ran off to
England...Covered by the Communist Senator Fulbright....Didn't get a
Rhodes degree but did get a Russian medal of peace for demonstrating
against America and the Vietnam war. I suppose you will also get some
kind of Communist Medal for being a supporter and fellow traveler?
Say.that is right. Obama was a Marxist and also a fellow traveler.
It is amazing the deliberate and willful ignorance of the left.
In order to be a deserter, he would have to be a soldier, which means he would
have had to taken the soldier's oath. Where's the documentation he took that
oath?
In the US mere conscription does not make you a soldier. You have to agree to it
by taking the oath. You can refuse to take the oath and be convicted, but
convicted as a civillian.
That is incorrect as is usual for you. No oath is mandatory, but is
expected as ritual. There were many inductees in WWII and Korea...Maybe
even further along that refused to take an oath for personal or
religious reasons. Yet ..they served and did so valiantly with many
still buried in military graveyards overseas. Refuse to take an oath
means nothing...Refuse to serve when inducted..That is Desertion. Maybe
you should read the UCMJ for clarification. Or maybe you should honor us
by going away and not coming back.
Clinton was never inducted.
Schuman
2017-05-11 21:01:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Zinger
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Wiley E. Coyote
Post by Zinger
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Gunner Asch
And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...Simply did not appear at his duty station. Ran off to
England...Covered by the Communist Senator Fulbright....Didn't get a
Rhodes degree but did get a Russian medal of peace for demonstrating
against America and the Vietnam war. I suppose you will also get some
kind of Communist Medal for being a supporter and fellow traveler?
Say.that is right. Obama was a Marxist and also a fellow traveler.
It is amazing the deliberate and willful ignorance of the left.
In order to be a deserter, he would have to be a soldier, which means he would
have had to taken the soldier's oath. Where's the documentation he took that
oath?
In the US mere conscription does not make you a soldier. You have to agree to it
by taking the oath. You can refuse to take the oath and be convicted, but
convicted as a civillian.
That is incorrect as is usual for you. No oath is mandatory, but is
expected as ritual. There were many inductees in WWII and Korea...Maybe
even further along that refused to take an oath for personal or
religious reasons. Yet ..they served and did so valiantly with many
still buried in military graveyards overseas. Refuse to take an oath
means nothing...Refuse to serve when inducted..That is Desertion. Maybe
you should read the UCMJ for clarification. Or maybe you should honor us
by going away and not coming back.
Clinton was never inducted.
11 years ago, while posting under this current nym, Rudy Canoza, we had a
discussion about a revised marketing claim concerning grass-fed beef from
USDA. You claimed that you had written to and received a reply from
William T.
Sessions, Associate Deputy Administrator, Livestock and Seed Program. Here
below is the post you wrote using the nym Rudy Canoza containing your
correspondence with William Sessions.

[start- Jon to me]
Eat shit and bark at the moon, Dreck - the proposed
standard has NOT been adopted. I wrote to William
Sessions, the associate deputy administrator (how's
that for a title) at the Livestock and Seed Program at
USDA that is in charge of writing the standard for the
"meat marketing claims"; his name, title and e-mail
address are at a web page whose URL I gave yesterday,
http://www.fass.org/fasstrack/news_item.asp?news_id=1152

Here's his reply:

From: "Sessions, William" <***@usda.gov>
To: <jonball@[...]>
Mr. Ball: Thanks for your message. The marketing claim
standards are still under review by USDA. Accordingly, the
standards have not been published in a final form for use. I
hope this information is helpful.
Please let me know if further information is needed.
Thanks,
William T. Sessions
Associate Deputy Administrator
Livestock and Seed Program

-----Original Message-----
From: jonball@[...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:38 AM
To: Sessions, William
Subject: 2003 proposed standards for meat marketing claims

I have read about the proposed standards, and I've seen
many of the public comments sent to USDA. I cannot find
anything to indicate if the standards were adopted.
Were the standards as proposed in 2003 adopted?

Thanks in advance.
Jonathan Ball
Pasadena, CA
___________________________________________________
Jonathan Ball aka Rudy Canoza 08 Sep 2005 http://bit.ly/2cYknsh
[end]

Jonathan Ball. Pasadena, CA. Priceless! That email, posted from Jonathan
Ball,
you, and the return email sent to Jonathan Ball proves beyond all doubt that
you are Jonathan Ball. Of course, you don't live in Pasadena since moving to
5327 Shepard Ave Sacramento, CA 95819-1731

Here's the proof Jonathan D Ball http://bit.ly/1LFy9t8
Post by Matt Singer
and I won't die soon.
Yeah you will. You're an old man who hasn't looked after himself. I wouldn't
go around goading people if I was as small and as puny as you are, liar Jon.
You ought to be very careful.
Post by Matt Singer
You certainly have no means to hasten my death.
Are you really serious, weed? you're just over 5 feet tall and 64 years old.
You'll be 65 on December 2nd. You've got to stop threatening people and
goading them to come after you. You're pathetic.
Matt Singer
2017-05-10 16:40:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Wiley E. Coyote
Post by Zinger
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Gunner Asch
And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...Simply did not appear at his duty station.
False.
Post by Wiley E. Coyote
It is amazing the deliberate and willful ignorance of the left.
Could be, but I'm not a leftist, and what I wrote - that Clinton was
never drafted - is correct.
Zinger
2017-05-11 05:51:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Zinger
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Gunner Asch
And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...Simply did not appear at his duty station.
False.
Absolutely correct...He was a deserter and you cannot prove otherwise.
Next you will tell us that Jane Fonda was the Virgin Mary.
--
Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to
the security of a free State, the right of the people
to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed
Siri Cruise
2017-05-11 07:18:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Zinger
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Zinger
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Gunner Asch
And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...Simply did not appear at his duty station.
False.
Absolutely correct...He was a deserter and you cannot prove otherwise.
Next you will tell us that Jane Fonda was the Virgin Mary.
You're so manly when you're a legal expert.
--
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted.
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
Free the Amos Yee one.
Yeah, too bad about your so-called life. Ha-ha.
Matt Singer
2017-05-11 13:59:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gunner Asch
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Zinger
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Gunner Asch
And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...Simply did not appear at his duty station.
False.
Absolutely correct
No, absolutely wrong. He never had a "duty station" because he was
never in the military. He had an order to report for induction on July
28, 1969, but on July 17, Col. Eugene Holmes agreed to accept him into
the U of Arkansas ROTC, and so the order to report was canceled.

He was never in the military. Learn to live with it.
Schuman
2017-05-11 21:02:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Gunner Asch
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Zinger
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Gunner Asch
And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...Simply did not appear at his duty station.
False.
Absolutely correct
No, absolutely wrong. He never had a "duty station" because he was
never in the military. He had an order to report for induction on July
28, 1969, but on July 17, Col. Eugene Holmes agreed to accept him into
the U of Arkansas ROTC, and so the order to report was canceled.
He was never in the military. Learn to live with it.
11 years ago, while posting under this current nym, Rudy Canoza, we had a
discussion about a revised marketing claim concerning grass-fed beef from
USDA. You claimed that you had written to and received a reply from
William T.
Sessions, Associate Deputy Administrator, Livestock and Seed Program. Here
below is the post you wrote using the nym Rudy Canoza containing your
correspondence with William Sessions.

[start- Jon to me]
Eat shit and bark at the moon, Dreck - the proposed
standard has NOT been adopted. I wrote to William
Sessions, the associate deputy administrator (how's
that for a title) at the Livestock and Seed Program at
USDA that is in charge of writing the standard for the
"meat marketing claims"; his name, title and e-mail
address are at a web page whose URL I gave yesterday,
http://www.fass.org/fasstrack/news_item.asp?news_id=1152

Here's his reply:

From: "Sessions, William" <***@usda.gov>
To: <jonball@[...]>
Mr. Ball: Thanks for your message. The marketing claim
standards are still under review by USDA. Accordingly, the
standards have not been published in a final form for use. I
hope this information is helpful.
Please let me know if further information is needed.
Thanks,
William T. Sessions
Associate Deputy Administrator
Livestock and Seed Program

-----Original Message-----
From: jonball@[...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:38 AM
To: Sessions, William
Subject: 2003 proposed standards for meat marketing claims

I have read about the proposed standards, and I've seen
many of the public comments sent to USDA. I cannot find
anything to indicate if the standards were adopted.
Were the standards as proposed in 2003 adopted?

Thanks in advance.
Jonathan Ball
Pasadena, CA
___________________________________________________
Jonathan Ball aka Rudy Canoza 08 Sep 2005 http://bit.ly/2cYknsh
[end]

Jonathan Ball. Pasadena, CA. Priceless! That email, posted from Jonathan
Ball,
you, and the return email sent to Jonathan Ball proves beyond all doubt that
you are Jonathan Ball. Of course, you don't live in Pasadena since moving to
5327 Shepard Ave Sacramento, CA 95819-1731

Here's the proof Jonathan D Ball http://bit.ly/1LFy9t8
Post by Matt Singer
and I won't die soon.
Yeah you will. You're an old man who hasn't looked after himself. I wouldn't
go around goading people if I was as small and as puny as you are, liar Jon.
You ought to be very careful.
Post by Matt Singer
You certainly have no means to hasten my death.
Are you really serious, weed? you're just over 5 feet tall and 64 years old.
You'll be 65 on December 2nd. You've got to stop threatening people and
goading them to come after you. You're pathetic.
Schuman
2017-05-11 21:00:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Wiley E. Coyote
Post by Zinger
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Gunner Asch
And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...Simply did not appear at his duty station.
False.
Post by Wiley E. Coyote
It is amazing the deliberate and willful ignorance of the left.
Could be, but I'm not a leftist, and what I wrote - that Clinton was
never drafted - is correct.
11 years ago, while posting under this current nym, Rudy Canoza, we had a
discussion about a revised marketing claim concerning grass-fed beef from
USDA. You claimed that you had written to and received a reply from
William T.
Sessions, Associate Deputy Administrator, Livestock and Seed Program. Here
below is the post you wrote using the nym Rudy Canoza containing your
correspondence with William Sessions.

[start- Jon to me]
Eat shit and bark at the moon, Dreck - the proposed
standard has NOT been adopted. I wrote to William
Sessions, the associate deputy administrator (how's
that for a title) at the Livestock and Seed Program at
USDA that is in charge of writing the standard for the
"meat marketing claims"; his name, title and e-mail
address are at a web page whose URL I gave yesterday,
http://www.fass.org/fasstrack/news_item.asp?news_id=1152

Here's his reply:

From: "Sessions, William" <***@usda.gov>
To: <jonball@[...]>
Mr. Ball: Thanks for your message. The marketing claim
standards are still under review by USDA. Accordingly, the
standards have not been published in a final form for use. I
hope this information is helpful.
Please let me know if further information is needed.
Thanks,
William T. Sessions
Associate Deputy Administrator
Livestock and Seed Program

-----Original Message-----
From: jonball@[...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:38 AM
To: Sessions, William
Subject: 2003 proposed standards for meat marketing claims

I have read about the proposed standards, and I've seen
many of the public comments sent to USDA. I cannot find
anything to indicate if the standards were adopted.
Were the standards as proposed in 2003 adopted?

Thanks in advance.
Jonathan Ball
Pasadena, CA
___________________________________________________
Jonathan Ball aka Rudy Canoza 08 Sep 2005 http://bit.ly/2cYknsh
[end]

Jonathan Ball. Pasadena, CA. Priceless! That email, posted from Jonathan
Ball,
you, and the return email sent to Jonathan Ball proves beyond all doubt that
you are Jonathan Ball. Of course, you don't live in Pasadena since moving to
5327 Shepard Ave Sacramento, CA 95819-1731

Here's the proof Jonathan D Ball http://bit.ly/1LFy9t8
Post by Matt Singer
and I won't die soon.
Yeah you will. You're an old man who hasn't looked after himself. I wouldn't
go around goading people if I was as small and as puny as you are, liar Jon.
You ought to be very careful.
Post by Matt Singer
You certainly have no means to hasten my death.
Are you really serious, weed? you're just over 5 feet tall and 64 years old.
You'll be 65 on December 2nd. You've got to stop threatening people and
goading them to come after you. You're pathetic.
Schuman
2017-05-11 21:06:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Wiley E. Coyote
Post by Zinger
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Gunner Asch
And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Yes he was...Simply did not appear at his duty station.
False.
Post by Wiley E. Coyote
It is amazing the deliberate and willful ignorance of the left.
Could be, but I'm not a leftist, and what I wrote - that Clinton was
never drafted - is correct.
11 years ago, while posting under this current nym, Rudy Canoza, we had a
discussion about a revised marketing claim concerning grass-fed beef from
USDA. You claimed that you had written to and received a reply from
William T.
Sessions, Associate Deputy Administrator, Livestock and Seed Program. Here
below is the post you wrote using the nym Rudy Canoza containing your
correspondence with William Sessions.

[start- Jon to me]
Eat shit and bark at the moon, Dreck - the proposed
standard has NOT been adopted. I wrote to William
Sessions, the associate deputy administrator (how's
that for a title) at the Livestock and Seed Program at
USDA that is in charge of writing the standard for the
"meat marketing claims"; his name, title and e-mail
address are at a web page whose URL I gave yesterday,
http://www.fass.org/fasstrack/news_item.asp?news_id=1152

Here's his reply:

From: "Sessions, William" <***@usda.gov>
To: <jonball@[...]>
Mr. Ball: Thanks for your message. The marketing claim
standards are still under review by USDA. Accordingly, the
standards have not been published in a final form for use. I
hope this information is helpful.
Please let me know if further information is needed.
Thanks,
William T. Sessions
Associate Deputy Administrator
Livestock and Seed Program

-----Original Message-----
From: jonball@[...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:38 AM
To: Sessions, William
Subject: 2003 proposed standards for meat marketing claims

I have read about the proposed standards, and I've seen
many of the public comments sent to USDA. I cannot find
anything to indicate if the standards were adopted.
Were the standards as proposed in 2003 adopted?

Thanks in advance.
Jonathan Ball
Pasadena, CA
___________________________________________________
Jonathan Ball aka Rudy Canoza 08 Sep 2005 http://bit.ly/2cYknsh
[end]

Jonathan Ball. Pasadena, CA. Priceless! That email, posted from Jonathan
Ball,
you, and the return email sent to Jonathan Ball proves beyond all doubt that
you are Jonathan Ball. Of course, you don't live in Pasadena since moving to
5327 Shepard Ave Sacramento, CA 95819-1731

Here's the proof Jonathan D Ball http://bit.ly/1LFy9t8
Post by Matt Singer
and I won't die soon.
Yeah you will. You're an old man who hasn't looked after himself. I wouldn't
go around goading people if I was as small and as puny as you are, liar Jon.
You ought to be very careful.
Post by Matt Singer
You certainly have no means to hasten my death.
Are you really serious, weed? you're just over 5 feet tall and 64 years old.
You'll be 65 on December 2nd. You've got to stop threatening people and
goading them to come after you. You're pathetic.
Schuman
2017-05-09 15:10:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Gunner Asch
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Scout
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Scout
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Gunner Asch
For the first improper entry offense, the person can be fined (as a
criminal penalty), or imprisoned for up to six months, or both.
For a
How often can ICE prove improper entry?
100% of the time. Since all legal entries have a governmental paper
trail, which ICE has access to.
Is this akin to the paper trail showing that George W. Bush reported
for duty in Alabama and completed his ANG term of service there?
Maybe, but since those files are private,
No, they're not. That's the whole point: they're *not* private - or,
they wouldn't be if they existed. As they don't exist, there is no
reason to believe their is a extant paper trail for every alien who
entered through a port of entry. The statement - "Since all legal
entries have a governmental paper trail, which ICE has access to" - is
nonsense.
"Well what difference does it make?"
Afterall...we had a Kenyan born individual fraudulently and illegally
serve 8 yrs as US president,
Bullshit.
Post by Gunner Asch
And its far better than Bill Clinton who was indeed drafted,
No, he wasn't - he was never inducted.
Post by Gunner Asch
Heads up "Matt" (snicker)...your day is done. Its going to be another
30 or more years before you and yours have a chance at controlling the
government.
More bullshit.
11 years ago, while posting under this current nym, Rudy Canoza, we had a
discussion about a revised marketing claim concerning grass-fed beef from
USDA. You claimed that you had written to and received a reply from
William T.
Sessions, Associate Deputy Administrator, Livestock and Seed Program. Here
below is the post you wrote using the nym Rudy Canoza containing your
correspondence with William Sessions.

[start- Jon to me]
Eat shit and bark at the moon, Dreck - the proposed
standard has NOT been adopted. I wrote to William
Sessions, the associate deputy administrator (how's
that for a title) at the Livestock and Seed Program at
USDA that is in charge of writing the standard for the
"meat marketing claims"; his name, title and e-mail
address are at a web page whose URL I gave yesterday,
http://www.fass.org/fasstrack/news_item.asp?news_id=1152

Here's his reply:

From: "Sessions, William" <***@usda.gov>
To: <jonball@[...]>
Mr. Ball: Thanks for your message. The marketing claim
standards are still under review by USDA. Accordingly, the
standards have not been published in a final form for use. I
hope this information is helpful.
Please let me know if further information is needed.
Thanks,
William T. Sessions
Associate Deputy Administrator
Livestock and Seed Program

-----Original Message-----
From: jonball@[...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:38 AM
To: Sessions, William
Subject: 2003 proposed standards for meat marketing claims

I have read about the proposed standards, and I've seen
many of the public comments sent to USDA. I cannot find
anything to indicate if the standards were adopted.
Were the standards as proposed in 2003 adopted?

Thanks in advance.
Jonathan Ball
Pasadena, CA
___________________________________________________
Jonathan Ball aka Rudy Canoza 08 Sep 2005 http://bit.ly/2cYknsh
[end]

Jonathan Ball. Pasadena, CA. Priceless! That email, posted from Jonathan
Ball,
you, and the return email sent to Jonathan Ball proves beyond all doubt that
you are Jonathan Ball. Of course, you don't live in Pasadena since moving to
5327 Shepard Ave Sacramento, CA 95819-1731

Here's the proof Jonathan D Ball http://bit.ly/1LFy9t8
Post by Matt Singer
and I won't die soon.
Yeah you will. You're an old man who hasn't looked after himself. I wouldn't
go around goading people if I was as small and as puny as you are, liar Jon.
You ought to be very careful.
Post by Matt Singer
You certainly have no means to hasten my death.
Are you really serious, weed? you're just over 5 feet tall and 64 years old.
You'll be 65 on December 2nd. You've got to stop threatening people and
goading them to come after you. You're pathetic.
Scout
2017-05-14 17:42:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Scout
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Scout
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Gunner Asch
For the first improper entry offense, the person can be fined (as a
criminal penalty), or imprisoned for up to six months, or both. For a
How often can ICE prove improper entry?
100% of the time. Since all legal entries have a governmental paper
trail, which ICE has access to.
Is this akin to the paper trail showing that George W. Bush reported
for duty in Alabama and completed his ANG term of service there?
Maybe, but since those files are private,
No, they're not.
Actually they are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privacy_Act_of_1974
Post by Matt Singer
That's the whole point: they're *not* private - or, they wouldn't be if
they existed.
They are indeed private.
Gunner Asch
2017-05-14 23:03:47 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 14 May 2017 13:42:23 -0400, "Scout"
Post by Scout
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Scout
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Scout
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Gunner Asch
For the first improper entry offense, the person can be fined (as a
criminal penalty), or imprisoned for up to six months, or both. For a
How often can ICE prove improper entry?
100% of the time. Since all legal entries have a governmental paper
trail, which ICE has access to.
Is this akin to the paper trail showing that George W. Bush reported
for duty in Alabama and completed his ANG term of service there?
Maybe, but since those files are private,
No, they're not.
Actually they are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privacy_Act_of_1974
Post by Matt Singer
That's the whole point: they're *not* private - or, they wouldn't be if
they existed.
They are indeed private.
Matt Stinker (nym stolen from my face book friends list) is nothing
more than a hard core leftist mental dwarf and would be hard pressed
to respond if anyone had asked why Nancy Pelosi hires wetbacks to work
in her vineyards or how many houses Bernie owns. He is simply
echoing the orders coming down from DNC headquarters.


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raykeller
2017-05-08 02:25:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by Scout
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Scout
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Gunner Asch
For the first improper entry offense, the person can be fined (as a
criminal penalty), or imprisoned for up to six months, or both. For a
How often can ICE prove improper entry?
100% of the time. Since all legal entries have a governmental paper
trail, which ICE has access to.
Is this akin to the paper trail showing that George W. Bush reported for
duty in Alabama and completed his ANG term of service there?
Maybe, but since those files are private, it's going to be a matter
between GWB and the US government. Hence the need of the media to
FABRICATE their 'evidence'.
LOL
An early form of FAKE NEWS
Scout
2017-05-14 17:46:17 UTC
Permalink
"raykeller"
Post by raykeller
Post by Scout
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Scout
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Gunner Asch
For the first improper entry offense, the person can be fined (as a
criminal penalty), or imprisoned for up to six months, or both. For a
How often can ICE prove improper entry?
100% of the time. Since all legal entries have a governmental paper
trail, which ICE has access to.
Is this akin to the paper trail showing that George W. Bush reported for
duty in Alabama and completed his ANG term of service there?
Maybe, but since those files are private, it's going to be a matter
between GWB and the US government. Hence the need of the media to
FABRICATE their 'evidence'.
LOL
An early form of FAKE NEWS
Yep, and I seem to recall they were caught red handed with their fabricated
evidence.

Yet, some people still believe it was factual.
NoBody
2017-05-15 11:34:26 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 14 May 2017 13:46:17 -0400, "Scout"
Post by Scout
"raykeller"
Post by raykeller
Post by Scout
Post by Matt Singer
Post by Scout
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Gunner Asch
For the first improper entry offense, the person can be fined (as a
criminal penalty), or imprisoned for up to six months, or both. For a
How often can ICE prove improper entry?
100% of the time. Since all legal entries have a governmental paper
trail, which ICE has access to.
Is this akin to the paper trail showing that George W. Bush reported for
duty in Alabama and completed his ANG term of service there?
Maybe, but since those files are private, it's going to be a matter
between GWB and the US government. Hence the need of the media to
FABRICATE their 'evidence'.
LOL
An early form of FAKE NEWS
Yep, and I seem to recall they were caught red handed with their fabricated
evidence.
Yet, some people still believe it was factual.
The same folks who believe Russia fixed the election for Trump no
doubt.

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